Mid decade census?

[Hank]

Trump tells the Dept of Commerce to redo the Census and remove illegal aliens from it

 

 

[K-9]

Trump needs to read the Constitution which clearly enumerates EVERY 10 YEARS and should count THE WHOLE NUMBER OF PERSONS IN EACH STATE, which includes EVERYBODY, not just citizens. 

[Demoted]

Maybe Trump will allow some people who are not white to be counted as 3/5th's of a vote? They are probably still going to count the illegals in the republican factories correct? Wonder if they will even need to pay those immigrants since they wont be counted as people on earth. Then they can become property I guess...

Edited Thursday at 08:36 PM by Demoted

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, Demoted said:

Maybe Trump will allow some people who are not white to be counted as 3/5th's of a vote? They are probably still going to count the illegals in the republican factories correct? Wonder if they will even need to pay those immigrants since they wont be counted as people on earth. Then they can become property I guess...

It’s amazing how quickly a “hands off” policy was implemented by ICE after the Nebraska raid on a meat processing facility there. They won’t touch any illegal immigrants working at such factories in red states. Trump clearly has his marching orders. 

[Hank]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Trump needs to read the Constitution which clearly enumerates EVERY 10 YEARS and should count THE WHOLE NUMBER OF PERSONS IN EACH STATE, which includes EVERYBODY, not just citizens. 

This is not correct at all. Every ten years has been the standard, but it CAN be done more frequently, it just hasn't been done before Trump. And no, illegal immigrants should not be counted in the census. 

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

It’s amazing how quickly a “hands off” policy was implemented by ICE after the Nebraska raid on a meat processing facility there. They won’t touch any illegal immigrants working at such factories in red states. Trump clearly has his marching orders. 

On this we agree. 

[Hank]

Trump’s mid decade census is authorized by law and will help strip blue states of funding flowing to illegal aliens.

This authority is based on HR 11337, which authorized a mid decade redistricting. It was passed in 1976 under a Democrat House and Senate and then signed into law by Jimmy Carter.

It requires that eligibility for federal benefits and fund allocations be based on the most recent decennial or mid-decade census data. However, it prohibits the use of mid-decade census data for apportioning seats in the House of Representatives or redrawing congressional districts.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Hank said:

This is not correct at all. Every ten years has been the standard, but it CAN be done more frequently, it just hasn't been done before Trump. And no, illegal immigrants should not be counted in the census. 

On this we agree. 

Article 1, Section 2 clearly mandates every 10 years. MANDATED.  Whether or not you agree that all the people shouldn’t be counted is irrelevant because, again, the Constitution decrees that all residents be counted. 
 

1 hour ago, Hank said:

Trump’s mid decade census is authorized by law and will help strip blue states of funding flowing to illegal aliens.

This authority is based on HR 11337, which authorized a mid decade redistricting. It was passed in 1976 under a Democrat House and Senate and then signed into law by Jimmy Carter.

It requires that eligibility for federal benefits and fund allocations be based on the most recent decennial or mid-decade census data. However, it prohibits the use of mid-decade census data for apportioning seats in the House of Representatives or redrawing congressional districts.

Yes, and this bill relates to funding and funding only based on updated population counts. Ironically, the final paragraph above makes clear that a mid-decade census PROHIBITS redrawing Congressional districts. Regardless, none of the language contained in HR 11337 changes the mandate in Article 1, Section 2 that ALL people shall be counted, citizen or not. 

[Hank]

You maybe missed the House of Representatives vote on May 8, 2024, before Trump won the election, passing by a vote of 206-202? 

House of Representatives passes Edwards’ bill to only include U.S. citizens in congressional representation

I believe it was stated that the census is not for the purpose of redrawing Congressional districts, you're correct in that not being allowed. I believe the purpose is to eliminate large numbers of illegals, especially in sanctuary cities and states, from the census in an effort to reduce number of seats in blue districts.

I'm not saying it's right, or i agree with it, just sharing something i find interesting.  

8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Article 1, Section 2 clearly mandates every 10 years. MANDATED.  Whether or not you agree that all the people shouldn’t be counted is irrelevant because, again, the Constitution decrees that all residents be counted. 
 

Yes, and this bill relates to funding and funding only based on updated population counts. Ironically, the final paragraph above makes clear that a mid-decade census PROHIBITS redrawing Congressional districts. Regardless, none of the language contained in HR 11337 changes the mandate in Article 1, Section 2 that ALL people shall be counted, citizen or not. 

 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Hank said:

You maybe missed the House of Representatives vote on May 8, 2024, before Trump won the election, passing by a vote of 206-202? 

House of Representatives passes Edwards’ bill to only include U.S. citizens in congressional representation

I believe it was stated that the census is not for the purpose of redrawing Congressional districts, you're correct in that not being allowed. I believe the purpose is to eliminate large numbers of illegals, especially in sanctuary cities and states, from the census in an effort to reduce number of seats in blue districts.

I'm not saying it's right, or i agree with it, just sharing something i find interesting.  

 

Did the Senate pass this bill? Did the president sign it into law?

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Hank said:

You maybe missed the House of Representatives vote on May 8, 2024, before Trump won the election, passing by a vote of 206-202? 

House of Representatives passes Edwards’ bill to only include U.S. citizens in congressional representation

I believe it was stated that the census is not for the purpose of redrawing Congressional districts, you're correct in that not being allowed. I believe the purpose is to eliminate large numbers of illegals, especially in sanctuary cities and states, from the census in an effort to reduce number of seats in blue districts.

I'm not saying it's right, or i agree with it, just sharing something i find interesting.  

 

Trump tried to have non-citizens discounted in 2020 by adding a citizenship question to the census but the SCOTUS did not agree and he will face the same challenge this time around. Bottom line is that it would take a Constitutional amendment to Article 1, Section 2 to have non-residents discounted in a census. 

[Hank]

8 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Did the Senate pass this bill? Did the president sign it into law?

Not to my knowledge, no. I would imagine congress republicans can push it through and we know that Trump will sign it. 

 

7 hours ago, K-9 said:

Trump tried to have non-citizens discounted in 2020 by adding a citizenship question to the census but the SCOTUS did not agree and he will face the same challenge this time around. Bottom line is that it would take a Constitutional amendment to Article 1, Section 2 to have non-residents discounted in a census. 

Trump didn't have a bill in 2020. If it gets through the republican congress, and i think we all believe it will, Trump will sign it into law. Carter made the mid decade census lawfull. This happening is a real possibility. 

[K-9]

6 hours ago, Hank said:

Not to my knowledge, no. I would imagine congress republicans can push it through and we know that Trump will sign it. 

 

Trump didn't have a bill in 2020. If it gets through the republican congress, and i think we all believe it will, Trump will sign it into law. Carter made the mid decade census lawfull. This happening is a real possibility. 

Again, the Supreme Court will have final say when the Constitutionality of this proposed new law is challenged. And I’m not certain that even a majority GOP-led Congress and will be unanimous as excluding non-citizens from the census is a direct violation of Article 1, Section 2. 

[Hank]

37 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Again, the Supreme Court will have final say when the Constitutionality of this proposed new law is challenged. And I’m not certain that even a majority GOP-led Congress and will be unanimous as excluding non-citizens from the census is a direct violation of Article 1, Section 2. 

What it excludes are "Indians not taxed and three fifths of all other persons." 

What it includes is "free Persons, including those bound to service for a term of years."

Those terms seem outdated. Tens of millions of illegal immigrants was not a concern back then. I don't believe a favorable Supreme Court ruling is the slam dunk you think it is. 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Hank said:

What it excludes are "Indians not taxed and three fifths of all other persons." 

What it includes is "free Persons, including those bound to service for a term of years."

Those terms seem outdated. Tens of millions of illegal immigrants was not a concern back then. I don't believe a favorable Supreme Court ruling is the slam dunk you think it is. 

Exactly. And “free persons” makes no distinction on citizenship. There are numerous outdated terms in the Constitution but outdated or not, the SCOTUS will decide. 

[Hank]

Things are escalating in TX, Democrats having their funds frozen until they return. 

 

[Demoted]

21 minutes ago, Hank said:

Things are escalating in TX, Democrats having their funds frozen until they return. 

 

But wait I thought they were getting arrested... I love how well social media strings people along. Trump hates education and loves social media. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Demoted

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Hank said:

Things are escalating in TX, Democrats having their funds frozen until they return. 

 

It amazes me how rabid ppl are for fascism these days. They are positively giddy about it as long as it aligns with their politics. 

[Hank]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

It amazes me how rabid ppl are for fascism these days. They are positively giddy about it as long as it aligns with their politics. 

Who's giddy? Eric Daugherty? Ken Paxton? Jasmine Crockett?