Chad D: expect a Byram trade at or around the draft

[Mr. Allen]

Just now, Thorny said:

You know what I don’t understand?

this board, at all 

you release Peterka is LEAPS AND BOUNDS beyond the asset that Helenius is? Right? We are ok with dealing a big-time, current scorer for a 4th dman 

But ARENT ok with dealing a damn future for a top 6 guy? 

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I never wanted to trade Peterka.  But we’re at least got “decent” value for him.  You’re talking line just throwing Helenius in a deal like it’s a 4th round pick

[Thorny]

Just now, Mr. Allen said:

I never wanted to trade Peterka.  But we’re at least got “decent” value for him.  You’re talking line just throwing Helenius in a deal like it’s a 4th round pick

No, I’m not 

The swap from 9 to 12 is nothing

If we can trade our leading assist forward in Peterka for a 4th dman, we can trade our never scored an assist in the nhl and won’t for years Helenius for a top 6 player 

Oh yes.

Yes, we can 

[Mr. Allen]

3 minutes ago, Thorny said:

No, I’m not 

The swap from 9 to 12 is nothing

If we can trade our leading assist forward in Peterka for a 4th dman, we can trade our never scored an assist in the nhl and won’t for years Helenius for a top 6 player 

Oh yes.

Yes, we can 

The value is terrible.  Find a better deal.  And where would rust even play?  He may have been playing big minutes in Pitt.  But that doesn’t mean he’s very good. 

Will the value Islanders got for Dobson help or hurt the market for Byrum?

[Thorny]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

The value is terrible.  Find a better deal.  And where would rust even play?  He may have been playing big minutes in Pitt.  But that doesn’t mean he’s very good. 

A better deal than what’s a really good one based on on-ice value, well beyond the one we just made? Why? Maybe the league is waking up to the fact that prospects and picks have been objectively overvalued as currency for decades 

and not by a little 

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[CTJoe]

1 minute ago, Mr. Allen said:

The value is terrible.  Find a better deal.  And where would rust even play?  He may have been playing big minutes in Pitt.  But that doesn’t mean he’s very good. 

9 and Rosen for 12 and Rust seems about fair. $5.5m for the next 3 years isn't bad.  Then sign Ehlers for $7 per and we have a team that can do things

[thewookie1]

I want nothing to do with Rust, he's literally rusty Peterka but now without his Crosby crutches to keep him upright

[apuszczalowski]

19 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

That only works to a point. If you have 8 teams interested, and they really want a player, one will up the offer. Then you have a bidding war. And like you said, the Sabres can just keep Byram for now, so lowball all you want if you're just playing games.

 

Any evidence or just wishful thinking?

But that's where Adams is playing 5D scrabble, he will let others up there offers with better deals, then take one of the lower unexpected offers cause it fills a need he created even though the value isn't the same.

He isn't going to lose his streak of losing every trade he makes.......

[CTJoe]

Just now, thewookie1 said:

I want nothing to do with Rust, he's literally rusty Peterka but now without his Crosby crutches to keep him upright

I disagree - 2 cups, experience and solid point total the last 3 or 4 years.  Plus $5.5 cap hit through 2028 isn't bad.  Reminds me of Zucker impact and I'd be thrilled ith that

[Thorny]

It’s funny how when you really peel back the layers….

everyone deep down is a prospect loving Kevyn Adams.
 

We saw Peterka drafted, hyped it, followed his progress, he’s an nhl player now. What’s that good for, winning? Pass. Trade him. Return is FINE doesn’t matter Adams told us entire reason we weren’t adding and winning was to save money for these extensions.
 

Swap in the next guys. 

Trade young Helenius? Hell no

trading Peterka is one thing. Trading Helinus is a non starter. He could be anything! With luck, maybe even another JJ Peterka!

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

It’s funny how when you really peel back the layers….

everyone deep down is a prospect loving Kevyn Adams.
 

We saw Peterka drafted, hyped it, followed his progress, he’s an nhl player now. What’s that good for, winning? Pass. Trade him. Return is FINE doesn’t matter Adams told us entire reason we weren’t adding and winning was to save money for these extensions.
 

Swap in the next guys. 

Trade young Helenius? Hell no

trading Peterka is one thing. Trading Helinus is a non starter. He could be anything! With luck, maybe even another JJ Peterka!

This just isn't true. If you told me there was a deal for 9, Helenius, Byram for Robertson, I doubt many would blink at it. 

[dudacek]

I saw the rumour that the goal was to add a right shot D and 2 top 6 forwards.

I said “how the ***** are they going to do that?”

Kesselrun Kyrou and Rust are a right shot D and 2 top 6 forwards.

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[thewookie1]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

This just isn't true. If you told me there was a deal for 9, Helenius, Byram for Robertson, I doubt many would blink at it. 

Make sure he'll extend 1st

[CTJoe]

6 minutes ago, Thorny said:

It’s funny how when you really peel back the layers….

everyone deep down is a prospect loving Kevyn Adams.
 

We saw Peterka drafted, hyped it, followed his progress, he’s an nhl player now. What’s that good for, winning? Pass. Trade him. Return is FINE doesn’t matter Adams told us entire reason we weren’t adding and winning was to save money for these extensions.
 

Swap in the next guys. 

Trade young Helenius? Hell no

trading Peterka is one thing. Trading Helinus is a non starter. He could be anything! With luck, maybe even another JJ Peterka!

Or he could produce like Peterka offensively while actually playing defense and going to bed before 4am every night

Edited 5 hours ago by CTJoe

[Eleven]

@Thorny The team needed a second pairing (or first, if Byram is traded) defenseman much more than it needs Rust.  It also needs a goaltender much more than it needs Rust.  If it's #9 and Helenius for a capable goaltender, I'm pulling the trigger.  If it's for Rust, NO.

I had no problems with Peterka.  I liked him.  I'm on the fence about the trade.  But what you're proposing is not equal to that trade.

I get that you think all prospects are superfluous.  Fine.  They still aren't fungible.  Some are better than others.

[Thorny]

[CTJoe]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

This just isn't true. If you told me there was a deal for 9, Helenius, Byram for Robertson, I doubt many would blink at it. 

I wouldn't blink at this.  I'd be concerned with who's playing with Dahlin, but I wouldn't blink at this.

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, CTJoe said:

while going to be before 4am every night

Bad apple 

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

Make sure he'll extend 1st

With an extension handshake 

[Thorny]

5 minutes ago, Eleven said:

@Thorny The team needed a second pairing (or first, if Byram is traded) defenseman much more than it needs Rust.  It also needs a goaltender much more than it needs Rust.  If it's #9 and Helenius for a capable goaltender, I'm pulling the trigger.  If it's for Rust, NO.

I had no problems with Peterka.  I liked him.  I'm on the fence about the trade.  But what you're proposing is not equal to that trade.

I get that you think all prospects are superfluous.  Fine.  They still aren't fungible.  Some are better than others.

Clearly don’t read my posts so I’ll reiterate my stance of the last 10-12 months:

I believe the sabres, as generally a last placed team all year, were in a position to add talent wherever possible to tune of bPA. We aren’t close to reaching a “ceiling on goals” lol. A goal scored helps our D as much as one saved 

improve team as much as possible. I’d trade for the better F before the weaker D. I felt we needed all the help we could get at F BEFORE dealing JJ, forwards are in a tough spot right now. I think we were like 23-24th in goals 2 years ago and these things tend to go in cycles: as I’ve said the sabres are a shell game: the issue never presents as one thing cause the issues mutate, stemming from overall inexperience and lack of depth 

Edited 5 hours ago by Thorny

[Archie Lee]

39 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

The Sabres are probably adding Helenius to that though 

Helenius, I would say no.  Quinn or Rosen?  Yes. 

We are running out of positions for Quinn if we acquire Rust.

 

[LGR4GM]

If Buffalo loses 20g from its scoring, which mean Norris is only good for the 9 more than the 11 Dylan "can't shoot for *****" Cozens got us, Buffalo would rank 16th in goals for. 

If Buffalo drops 20goals against that brings them from 3rd worst to 8th worst. Buffalo needs goal reduction badly. 

[Eleven]

Just now, Thorny said:

Clearly don’t read my posts so I’ll reiterate my stance of the last 10-12 months:

I believe the sabres, as generally a last placed team all year, was in a position where to add talent wherever possible to tune of bPA. We aren’t close to reaching a “ceiling on goals” lol. A goal scored helps put D as much as one saved 

improve team as much as possible. I’d trade for the better F before the weaker D. I felt we needed all the help we could get at F BEFORE dealing JJ, forwards are in a tough spot right now. I think we were like 23-24th on goals 2 years ago and these things tend to go in cycles: as I’ve said the sabres are a shell game: the issue never presents as one thing cause the issues mutate, stemming from overall inexperience and lack of depth 

My man, there are a bunch of F prospects (again not all equal) in the system who are looking for opportunity with the big club.  Surely one or two has a chance.

Can't say the same about D or G (other than Levi, and this board seems resigned to keep him in Rochester).

[Thorny]

8 minutes ago, Eleven said:

@Thorny The team needed a second pairing (or first, if Byram is traded) defenseman much more than it needs Rust.  It also needs a goaltender much more than it needs Rust.  If it's #9 and Helenius for a capable goaltender, I'm pulling the trigger.  If it's for Rust, NO.

I had no problems with Peterka.  I liked him.  I'm on the fence about the trade.  But what you're proposing is not equal to that trade.

I get that you think all prospects are superfluous.  Fine.  They still aren't fungible.  Some are better than others.

You have to remember, Eleven:

the league gives out a free Helenius to every team every year.

if we are bad, we can just snag another. We get SEVEN free picks, in fact. It’s sort of odd but the league just sorta…gives them out. EVERY year!

if we aren’t in a position to draft someone that good, we are higher in the standings…and while there’s an issue with that because…wait what? 

Edited 5 hours ago by Thorny

[Archie Lee]

12 minutes ago, Thorny said:

It’s funny how when you really peel back the layers….

everyone deep down is a prospect loving Kevyn Adams.
 

We saw Peterka drafted, hyped it, followed his progress, he’s an nhl player now. What’s that good for, winning? Pass. Trade him. Return is FINE doesn’t matter Adams told us entire reason we weren’t adding and winning was to save money for these extensions.
 

Swap in the next guys. 

Trade young Helenius? Hell no

trading Peterka is one thing. Trading Helinus is a non starter. He could be anything! With luck, maybe even another JJ Peterka!

We are all just fans.  Nobody here traded Peterka for anything and nobody here is trading Byram.

[LGR4GM]

42 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

The Sabres are probably adding Helenius to that though 

That's a stupid trade. Rust has mediocre defensive metrics and plays with Crosby. Helenius is a natural center... and we have to drop in the draft. It's a cap clear for Pitt. 

Trading Helenius for a 33yr old winger is dumb dumb stuff.