Now what?

[K-9]

About time we got a story about ICE actually doing the job their mission calls for. 

But that in no way validates the many extra-judicial actions they’ve performed since January. Things like arresting innocent US citizens, setting off explosives to enter the home of a US citizen, raiding elementary schools to round up children, riding thru parks on horseback just because, wearing masks to conceal their identity, or deporting people for MISDEMEANORS,  just to name a few. 

I wonder how many pardoned January 6th criminals serve in their ranks? And I gotta wonder also how attractive it is to groups like the Proud Boys who get to go and round up brown people.

[Hank]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

About time we got a story about ICE actually doing the job their mission calls for. 

But that in no way validates the many extra-judicial actions they’ve performed since January. Things like arresting innocent US citizens, setting off explosives to enter the home of a US citizen, raiding elementary schools to round up children, riding thru parks on horseback just because, wearing masks to conceal their identity, or deporting people for MISDEMEANORS,  just to name a few. 

I wonder how many pardoned January 6th criminals serve in their ranks? And I gotta wonder also how attractive it is to groups like the Proud Boys who get to go and round up brown people.

I agree!  It's a great thing that Ice is allowed to do their job again after four years of Bidens deplorable, corrupt open border policy. I hope anyone who tries to obstruct Ice from doing their job is prosecuted. I didn't vote for this, but I sure as hell support it.

[Hank]

https://ktla-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/ktla.com/news/local-news/undocumented-minors-found-amid-raid-of-ventura-county-cannabis-farm-dhs-says/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=17522577555930&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fktla.com%2Fnews%2Flocal-news%2Fundocumented-minors-found-amid-raid-of-ventura-county-cannabis-farm-dhs-says%2F

Exploiting unaccompanied minors working in a Marijuana farm. Yes, I support Ice raiding places like this. Shame on Newsome for allowing this in his state, and shame on the residents of California for electing him. 

[K-9]

2 hours ago, Hank said:

I agree!  It's a great thing that Ice is allowed to do their job again after four years of Bidens deplorable, corrupt open border policy. I hope anyone who tries to obstruct Ice from doing their job is prosecuted. I didn't vote for this, but I sure as hell support it.

Obstructing ICE from doing their job is one thing, obstructing their extra-judicial activities is another. Indeed, it is our responsibility as citizens to protest these tactics which, as I alluded to earlier, are NOT part of their mission and never have been. Their mission is to capture and deport CRIMINALS. I’m surprised that a veteran of our armed services, sworn to protect and defend our Constitution, would be OK with these newly adopted tactics. Especially considering that being here illegally is a misdemeanor and not a criminal offense. 

As for the rest of your editorial regarding Biden’s “corrupt open border policy?” All due respect, but that is just regurgitated, far right propaganda. And no, I do not wish to discuss that particular issue any further. It’s an exercise in futility. 

[Hank]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Obstructing ICE from doing their job is one thing, obstructing their extra-judicial activities is another. Indeed, it is our responsibility as citizens to protest these tactics which, as I alluded to earlier, are NOT part of their mission and never have been. Their mission is to capture and deport CRIMINALS. I’m surprised that a veteran of our armed services, sworn to protect and defend our Constitution, would be OK with these newly adopted tactics. Especially considering that being here illegally is a misdemeanor and not a criminal offense. 

As for the rest of your editorial regarding Biden’s “corrupt open border policy?” All due respect, but that is just regurgitated, far right propaganda. And no, I do not wish to discuss that particular issue any further. It’s an exercise in futility. 

Rescuing children should be a non-partisan issue. Apparently you're fine with them being sent here to work 15 hours a day in the sun on a pot farm, I'm not. You do you. 

[K-9]

51 minutes ago, Hank said:

Rescuing children should be a non-partisan issue. Apparently you're fine with them being sent here to work 15 hours a day in the sun on a pot farm, I'm not. You do you. 

WTF are you even talking about and how does it have anything at all to do with my post? Never mind. Your snark is old and not productive. Have a nice evening.

[SABRES 0311]

You can’t tell the public Epstein isn’t worth talking about because of everything else going on. All of a sudden those terabytes of content were what Epstein downloaded, not recorded himself.

So Maxwell is in jail for something they say/elude didn’t happen then? Yeah, ok.

Next someone is gonna say everyday there’s a whole minute missing from a prison camera that just never gets fixed….

Protect your women and children because I think this will embolden the traffickers. They’re going to want to rebuild what these raids are tearing down.

Edited yesterday at 10:09 AM by SABRES 0311

[Demoted]

3 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

You can’t tell the public Epstein isn’t worth talking about because of everything else going on. All of a sudden those terabytes of content were what Epstein downloaded, not recorded himself.

So Maxwell is in jail for something they say/elude didn’t happen then? Yeah, ok.

Next someone is gonna say everyday there’s a whole minute missing from a prison camera that just never gets fixed….

Protect your women and children because I think this will embolden the traffickers. They’re going to want to rebuild what these raids are tearing down.

Doesn't help he made it one of his MAIN talking points to get himself elected and now all the sudden it's a non issue.

 

Epsteins old lawyer even saying Trump is suppressing the documents.

Edited yesterday at 01:09 PM by Demoted

[Demoted]

13 hours ago, Hank said:

Rescuing children should be a non-partisan issue. Apparently you're fine with them being sent here to work 15 hours a day in the sun on a pot farm, I'm not. You do you. 

Such a weird thing to make up to make yourself feel better about voting for a PEDO. 

[LTS]

On 7/10/2025 at 3:26 PM, LGR4GM said:

Changed my mind. No response needed. 

Okay then. So you wouldn't even answer my question?  How can there be healthy discussion if you choose to only throw barbs but not respond to questions to help clarify your position?

On 7/11/2025 at 5:56 AM, Demoted said:

Trying to distract the people from real problems.

There are all kinds of real problems and the economic position of the country is one of them. This is like arguing about getting a speeding ticket by saying "Don't the cops have anything better to do?"  The answer to that is "Yes, they do but because you are breaking the law by speeding you are distracting them from those other, more important, things?"

In this case, the economy also needs to be improved, so this is not a bad thing.

On 7/11/2025 at 6:48 AM, Hank said:

The S & P reaching another record high is a distraction? I don't think they S & P works that way.  Giving i bought the dip, I hope there's many distractions for years to come. I would want that no matter who was in office. It's a good thing. 

Reaching the record high, no.  But calling out up 26% since the April dip is marketing through and through. I used to work for a company that would let employees go throughout the year and then hire a large number of people at once. They made sure to be published in the news for how they were hiring so many people but strangely it was never reported on that they let more people go in the prior year than they were hiring.  It's all in spinning the message.

22 hours ago, Demoted said:

Well it's about to happen again when Trump sets up the next set of insider trading with August tariffs.

 

What's funny is the stock market rebounding has nothing to do with Trump. 

What would you attribute it to?  I'm not saying Trump should be given credit for all this.  My stance is that the market is proven time and time again that will fall with the announcement of bad news and then, not too much after that, it will conveniently forget the bad news and climb back up.  Sure, there are protracted moments where the impact lasts longer.

it's really not all that different from the our society as a whole.  Bad news, when announced, garners a strong reaction, and then people forget about it as they are distracted by other things and eventually they get back to their lives (or focus on the next bad news).

22 hours ago, K-9 said:

About time we got a story about ICE actually doing the job their mission calls for. 

But that in no way validates the many extra-judicial actions they’ve performed since January. Things like arresting innocent US citizens, setting off explosives to enter the home of a US citizen, raiding elementary schools to round up children, riding thru parks on horseback just because, wearing masks to conceal their identity, or deporting people for MISDEMEANORS,  just to name a few. 

I wonder how many pardoned January 6th criminals serve in their ranks? And I gotta wonder also how attractive it is to groups like the Proud Boys who get to go and round up brown people.

I continue to be on the fence about concealing their identity.  I don't think it's unreasonable for people who are responsible for effecting the capture of international gang members to remain anonymous.  They, and their families, are put at risk should their identities be discovered.

It's certainly one thing to argue WHO they target and certainly some of their actions have been downright deplorable and potentially illegal. I think that's the real problem is seeing armed, masked men, disappearing people off the street or in very public venues easily draws the comparison to other regimes that we all agree have violated human rights using similar actions.

Even then, even if their targets are seemingly harmless illegal persons, having their picture appear on a raid could still warrant them and their families to a response from gangs or other reactionary individuals.

 

1 hour ago, Demoted said:

Such a weird thing to make up to make yourself feel better about voting for a PEDO. 

Please enlighten me.  Has Donald Trump been reasonably accused or convicted of this offense?  Are you using this terminology because he has ties to someone who has been convicted of this offense?

While it's certainly reasonable to believe that Trump is aware of what Epstein was engaged in there's a difference in knowing and not saying anything and engaging in the actions required to earn that title.

This is walking a really fine line and without some evidence I think crosses it for how conversations in this forum should be conducted. Provide evidence or edit your post please.

 

[K-9]

46 minutes ago, LTS said:

I continue to be on the fence about concealing their identity.  I don't think it's unreasonable for people who are responsible for effecting the capture of international gang members to remain anonymous.  They, and their families, are put at risk should their identities be discovered.

It's certainly one thing to argue WHO they target and certainly some of their actions have been downright deplorable and potentially illegal. I think that's the real problem is seeing armed, masked men, disappearing people off the street or in very public venues easily draws the comparison to other regimes that we all agree have violated human rights using similar actions.

Even then, even if their targets are seemingly harmless illegal persons, having their picture appear on a raid could still warrant them and their families to a response from gangs or other reactionary individuals.

In that case every police officer, prosecutor, judge, etc., should wear masks while doing their jobs as they are all subject to potential retaliation from those they administer justice to. People in the justice system have always been potential targets for retaliation, but knowing who is arresting us is a right in this country and law enforcement is obligated to provide that information.

When ICE is involved in extra-judicial activities, especially those targeting US citizen, and they hide their identities to conduct them, then it is operating like a para-military force and that is anathema to the rule of law and our way of life. 

And just to reiterate my initial post, we can all agree that ICE doing the job they were created to do, ARRESTING CRIMINALS in this country illegally, then we should be grateful and applaud those efforts. But none of us should condone these extra-judicial activities and            imo, when there is no criticism of those activities, it is tantamount to being in favor of them. 

[Demoted]

2 hours ago, LTS said:

Okay then. So you wouldn't even answer my question?  How can there be healthy discussion if you choose to only throw barbs but not respond to questions to help clarify your position?

There are all kinds of real problems and the economic position of the country is one of them. This is like arguing about getting a speeding ticket by saying "Don't the cops have anything better to do?"  The answer to that is "Yes, they do but because you are breaking the law by speeding you are distracting them from those other, more important, things?"

In this case, the economy also needs to be improved, so this is not a bad thing.

Reaching the record high, no.  But calling out up 26% since the April dip is marketing through and through. I used to work for a company that would let employees go throughout the year and then hire a large number of people at once. They made sure to be published in the news for how they were hiring so many people but strangely it was never reported on that they let more people go in the prior year than they were hiring.  It's all in spinning the message.

What would you attribute it to?  I'm not saying Trump should be given credit for all this.  My stance is that the market is proven time and time again that will fall with the announcement of bad news and then, not too much after that, it will conveniently forget the bad news and climb back up.  Sure, there are protracted moments where the impact lasts longer.

it's really not all that different from the our society as a whole.  Bad news, when announced, garners a strong reaction, and then people forget about it as they are distracted by other things and eventually they get back to their lives (or focus on the next bad news).

I continue to be on the fence about concealing their identity.  I don't think it's unreasonable for people who are responsible for effecting the capture of international gang members to remain anonymous.  They, and their families, are put at risk should their identities be discovered.

It's certainly one thing to argue WHO they target and certainly some of their actions have been downright deplorable and potentially illegal. I think that's the real problem is seeing armed, masked men, disappearing people off the street or in very public venues easily draws the comparison to other regimes that we all agree have violated human rights using similar actions.

Even then, even if their targets are seemingly harmless illegal persons, having their picture appear on a raid could still warrant them and their families to a response from gangs or other reactionary individuals.

 

Please enlighten me.  Has Donald Trump been reasonably accused or convicted of this offense?  Are you using this terminology because he has ties to someone who has been convicted of this offense?

While it's certainly reasonable to believe that Trump is aware of what Epstein was engaged in there's a difference in knowing and not saying anything and engaging in the actions required to earn that title.

This is walking a really fine line and without some evidence I think crosses it for how conversations in this forum should be conducted. Provide evidence or edit your post please.

 

Trump destroyed the evidence. 

If the Trump administration doesn't need evidence then neither do the citizens. There is no "fine line" he is a straight Pedophile or someone who supports Pedophiles which is just as bad. This is what the people voted for so this is what they will get. A country where evidence is just whatever you want to believe.

[LTS]

52 minutes ago, Demoted said:

Trump destroyed the evidence. 

If the Trump administration doesn't need evidence then neither do the citizens. There is no "fine line" he is a straight Pedophile or someone who supports Pedophiles which is just as bad. This is what the people voted for so this is what they will get. A country where evidence is just whatever you want to believe.

I'm confused over "If the Trump administration doesn't need evidence..."  Evidence regarding what?  We are discussing your accusation both against Trump and by your statement against a forum member for voting for a pedophile, which would fit into your "supporting a pedophile" which is just as bad (to quote you).

But, you clearly admit there is no evidence.  As such, either edit your statement or I am going to remove it.  We're not going to tolerate that insinuation here.  Here, we are going to require evidence.

Edited yesterday at 07:13 PM by LTS

[Demoted]

1 hour ago, LTS said:

I'm confused over "If the Trump administration doesn't need evidence..."  Evidence regarding what?  We are discussing your accusation both against Trump and by your statement against a forum member for voting for a pedophile, which would fit into your "supporting a pedophile" which is just as bad (to quote you).

But, you clearly admit there is no evidence.  As such, either edit your statement or I am going to remove it.  We're not going to tolerate that insinuation here.  Here, we are going to require evidence.

Pam Bondi said she had the list right on her desk. Now all the sudden there was never any list. Missing part of the prison footage. Stop with this pretending.

 

Asking me to give you evidence that the people in power are actively suppressing, the same person who made it one of the things they ran on president for. Now it's "not important" to talk about anymore. Trump asking people why they keep bringing it up when he talked about it at every rally he went to before hand...

Edited yesterday at 08:32 PM by Demoted

[Demoted]

People don't realize criminals like Trump shape the future for themselves and for no one else. Remember Bernie Madoff? He was very heavily involved with shaping the regulations in the finance world. Giving Trump all this power is just insane and with everything that has gone on people choose to ignore it. It's why people like Elon are trying to create AI to be able to control how people get answers. It's why the tech sector mostly sided with Trump even though he used to attack them. They all want a piece of the pie and can see how easily social media has made that for them.

 

Why do you think red states don't value education as much as blue states, keep you fat and dumb and you will vote how they want. Here we are sitting on a line of 2 extremes b.c there is no middle anymore. Get everyone over the age of 60 out of office. This old power needs to go.

Edited 23 hours ago by Demoted

[Hank]

 

[Hank]

12 hours ago, Demoted said:

Such a weird thing to make up to make yourself feel better about voting for a PEDO. 

Any evidence that may have existed when Trump took office was there through the Biden administration. If there was anything linking Trump to any malfeasance regarding Epstein it would have been used against him during the election. To think otherwise is willful ignorance and makes you look foolish. 

[Hank]

@LTS

Thanks for sharing your personal experience, it helps provide some perspective and will give me something to consider when I see similar articles in the future. 

[Demoted]

8 hours ago, Hank said:

Any evidence that may have existed when Trump took office was there through the Biden administration. If there was anything linking Trump to any malfeasance regarding Epstein it would have been used against him during the election. To think otherwise is willful ignorance and makes you look foolish. 

That is not true since all sorts of people are on that list. To think otherwise is willful ignorance and makes you look foolish. I am glad you took Trumps bait and are now repeating his exact words he wants you to believe. 

He ran on that lie, he hired influencers as his top officials that also repeated that exact lie. He made lies up about people he didn't like talking about them being on said list. Pam Bondi herself said she had the list on her desk.

"In a December 2023 interview, prior to his appointment as FBI Director, Patel stated that the FBI Director has "direct control" of Epstein's address book. Patel suggested that if Donald Trump were to be re-elected as President, he should make releasing the "black book" a priority on his first day in office."

 

See unlike you Hank I only go by what the PEOPLE in charge say themselves. I don't care about second hand talking points. If they say something and they are running this country they better well back that ***** up.

 

So maybe stop passively aggressively insulting people b.c you don't like that they remember what your heroes said.

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Demoted

[Demoted]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/10-reasons-doj-fbi-face-backlash-over-epstein-files-flop

 

This is what happens when you let influencers run your country. They say anything to get themselves votes but don't realize the problems they cause.

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Demoted

[Hank]

@Demoted

Why do YOU believe the Harris campaign did not expose trump during the election?

[Demoted]

2 hours ago, Hank said:

@Demoted

Why do YOU believe the Harris campaign did not expose trump during the election?

B.c there are powerful democrats on that list as well. 

 

Funny watching people go from "They aren't releasing any information b.c they are the ones on the list" 

Now "There never was a list, that's why they didn't release it."

 

Social media and the sheer incompetence of the Trump administration for saying all of this is why they are in this mess.

 

Let's not forget if they did release the list and it had Trumps name on it people would have said "fake news" 🤣

Edited 7 hours ago by Demoted

[Demoted]

Why didn't the Biden administration release the JFK files? Was there no JFK files also? Then what did Trump release?

Edited 7 hours ago by Demoted

[LTS]

22 hours ago, Demoted said:

Pam Bondi said she had the list right on her desk. Now all the sudden there was never any list. Missing part of the prison footage. Stop with this pretending.

 

Asking me to give you evidence that the people in power are actively suppressing, the same person who made it one of the things they ran on president for. Now it's "not important" to talk about anymore. Trump asking people why they keep bringing it up when he talked about it at every rally he went to before hand...

You are misconstruing the knowledge of a list of names with the actuality of the list itself and what actions those people on the list were involved with.  

What we know is that Epstein was involved in all kinds of illegal activities, including trafficking of minors, etc.

What we know is that Trump had involvement with Epstein, so did Bill Gates, so did Bill Clinton, and so on.

What we know is that someone has claimed that Trump was really big on power moves and screwing other people's wives along with many other indecent and deplorable ways to treat women.

What we DO NOT KNOW is that Trump engaged in pedophilia.  

What we are reasonably positive of is that there is a list of names and potentially other information.

Without that evidence making such claims is irresponsible.  You can BELIEVE what you want, but I've never read anywhere of the insinuation that Trump was involved in pedophilia and I'm not going to allow that statement to be made as though it's fact.  

I am sure that list has a lot of really influential people on it. That's the kind of list that will never be published. It's an indictment on the kind of society we have in the United States (albeit the power matrices go well beyond the US borders).

Underneath all of this is the fact that we are dealing with a group of individuals who routinely say anything that comes to mind and then forgets they ever said it. Do I put any credence into what Pam Bondi says?  Hell no.  Just like I don't listen to most of what anyone in this administration says because it's 99.8% hot air.  

The US has the reality show it always wanted, in the White House. Not a surprise from a country whose citizens pay more attention to the Kardashians and "Real" Housewives of anywhere than they do their local, state, and national politics.

 

[Demoted]

6 minutes ago, LTS said:

You are misconstruing the knowledge of a list of names with the actuality of the list itself and what actions those people on the list were involved with.  

What we know is that Epstein was involved in all kinds of illegal activities, including trafficking of minors, etc.

What we know is that Trump had involvement with Epstein, so did Bill Gates, so did Bill Clinton, and so on.

What we know is that someone has claimed that Trump was really big on power moves and screwing other people's wives along with many other indecent and deplorable ways to treat women.

What we DO NOT KNOW is that Trump engaged in pedophilia.  

What we are reasonably positive of is that there is a list of names and potentially other information.

Without that evidence making such claims is irresponsible.  You can BELIEVE what you want, but I've never read anywhere of the insinuation that Trump was involved in pedophilia and I'm not going to allow that statement to be made as though it's fact.  

I am sure that list has a lot of really influential people on it. That's the kind of list that will never be published. It's an indictment on the kind of society we have in the United States (albeit the power matrices go well beyond the US borders).

Underneath all of this is the fact that we are dealing with a group of individuals who routinely say anything that comes to mind and then forgets they ever said it. Do I put any credence into what Pam Bondi says?  Hell no.  Just like I don't listen to most of what anyone in this administration says because it's 99.8% hot air.  

The US has the reality show it always wanted, in the White House. Not a surprise from a country whose citizens pay more attention to the Kardashians and "Real" Housewives of anywhere than they do their local, state, and national politics.

 

Welcome to Trumps America 🤣