Now what?

[K-9]

About time we got a story about ICE actually doing the job their mission calls for. 

But that in no way validates the many extra-judicial actions they’ve performed since January. Things like arresting innocent US citizens, setting off explosives to enter the home of a US citizen, raiding elementary schools to round up children, riding thru parks on horseback just because, wearing masks to conceal their identity, or deporting people for MISDEMEANORS,  just to name a few. 

I wonder how many pardoned January 6th criminals serve in their ranks? And I gotta wonder also how attractive it is to groups like the Proud Boys who get to go and round up brown people.

[Hank]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

About time we got a story about ICE actually doing the job their mission calls for. 

But that in no way validates the many extra-judicial actions they’ve performed since January. Things like arresting innocent US citizens, setting off explosives to enter the home of a US citizen, raiding elementary schools to round up children, riding thru parks on horseback just because, wearing masks to conceal their identity, or deporting people for MISDEMEANORS,  just to name a few. 

I wonder how many pardoned January 6th criminals serve in their ranks? And I gotta wonder also how attractive it is to groups like the Proud Boys who get to go and round up brown people.

I agree!  It's a great thing that Ice is allowed to do their job again after four years of Bidens deplorable, corrupt open border policy. I hope anyone who tries to obstruct Ice from doing their job is prosecuted. I didn't vote for this, but I sure as hell support it.

[Hank]

https://ktla-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/ktla.com/news/local-news/undocumented-minors-found-amid-raid-of-ventura-county-cannabis-farm-dhs-says/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=17522577555930&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fktla.com%2Fnews%2Flocal-news%2Fundocumented-minors-found-amid-raid-of-ventura-county-cannabis-farm-dhs-says%2F

Exploiting unaccompanied minors working in a Marijuana farm. Yes, I support Ice raiding places like this. Shame on Newsome for allowing this in his state, and shame on the residents of California for electing him. 

[K-9]

2 hours ago, Hank said:

I agree!  It's a great thing that Ice is allowed to do their job again after four years of Bidens deplorable, corrupt open border policy. I hope anyone who tries to obstruct Ice from doing their job is prosecuted. I didn't vote for this, but I sure as hell support it.

Obstructing ICE from doing their job is one thing, obstructing their extra-judicial activities is another. Indeed, it is our responsibility as citizens to protest these tactics which, as I alluded to earlier, are NOT part of their mission and never have been. Their mission is to capture and deport CRIMINALS. I’m surprised that a veteran of our armed services, sworn to protect and defend our Constitution, would be OK with these newly adopted tactics. Especially considering that being here illegally is a misdemeanor and not a criminal offense. 

As for the rest of your editorial regarding Biden’s “corrupt open border policy?” All due respect, but that is just regurgitated, far right propaganda. And no, I do not wish to discuss that particular issue any further. It’s an exercise in futility. 

[Hank]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Obstructing ICE from doing their job is one thing, obstructing their extra-judicial activities is another. Indeed, it is our responsibility as citizens to protest these tactics which, as I alluded to earlier, are NOT part of their mission and never have been. Their mission is to capture and deport CRIMINALS. I’m surprised that a veteran of our armed services, sworn to protect and defend our Constitution, would be OK with these newly adopted tactics. Especially considering that being here illegally is a misdemeanor and not a criminal offense. 

As for the rest of your editorial regarding Biden’s “corrupt open border policy?” All due respect, but that is just regurgitated, far right propaganda. And no, I do not wish to discuss that particular issue any further. It’s an exercise in futility. 

Rescuing children should be a non-partisan issue. Apparently you're fine with them being sent here to work 15 hours a day in the sun on a pot farm, I'm not. You do you. 

[K-9]

51 minutes ago, Hank said:

Rescuing children should be a non-partisan issue. Apparently you're fine with them being sent here to work 15 hours a day in the sun on a pot farm, I'm not. You do you. 

WTF are you even talking about and how does it have anything at all to do with my post? Never mind. Your snark is old and not productive. Have a nice evening.

[SABRES 0311]

You can’t tell the public Epstein isn’t worth talking about because of everything else going on. All of a sudden those terabytes of content were what Epstein downloaded, not recorded himself.

So Maxwell is in jail for something they say/elude didn’t happen then? Yeah, ok.

Next someone is gonna say everyday there’s a whole minute missing from a prison camera that just never gets fixed….

Protect your women and children because I think this will embolden the traffickers. They’re going to want to rebuild what these raids are tearing down.

Edited 6 hours ago by SABRES 0311

[Demoted]

3 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

You can’t tell the public Epstein isn’t worth talking about because of everything else going on. All of a sudden those terabytes of content were what Epstein downloaded, not recorded himself.

So Maxwell is in jail for something they say/elude didn’t happen then? Yeah, ok.

Next someone is gonna say everyday there’s a whole minute missing from a prison camera that just never gets fixed….

Protect your women and children because I think this will embolden the traffickers. They’re going to want to rebuild what these raids are tearing down.

Doesn't help he made it one of his MAIN talking points to get himself elected and now all the sudden it's a non issue.

 

Epsteins old lawyer even saying Trump is suppressing the documents.

Edited 3 hours ago by Demoted

[Demoted]

13 hours ago, Hank said:

Rescuing children should be a non-partisan issue. Apparently you're fine with them being sent here to work 15 hours a day in the sun on a pot farm, I'm not. You do you. 

Such a weird thing to make up to make yourself feel better about voting for a PEDO. 

[LTS]

On 7/10/2025 at 3:26 PM, LGR4GM said:

Changed my mind. No response needed. 

Okay then. So you wouldn't even answer my question?  How can there be healthy discussion if you choose to only throw barbs but not respond to questions to help clarify your position?

On 7/11/2025 at 5:56 AM, Demoted said:

Trying to distract the people from real problems.

There are all kinds of real problems and the economic position of the country is one of them. This is like arguing about getting a speeding ticket by saying "Don't the cops have anything better to do?"  The answer to that is "Yes, they do but because you are breaking the law by speeding you are distracting them from those other, more important, things?"

In this case, the economy also needs to be improved, so this is not a bad thing.

On 7/11/2025 at 6:48 AM, Hank said:

The S & P reaching another record high is a distraction? I don't think they S & P works that way.  Giving i bought the dip, I hope there's many distractions for years to come. I would want that no matter who was in office. It's a good thing. 

Reaching the record high, no.  But calling out up 26% since the April dip is marketing through and through. I used to work for a company that would let employees go throughout the year and then hire a large number of people at once. They made sure to be published in the news for how they were hiring so many people but strangely it was never reported on that they let more people go in the prior year than they were hiring.  It's all in spinning the message.

22 hours ago, Demoted said:

Well it's about to happen again when Trump sets up the next set of insider trading with August tariffs.

 

What's funny is the stock market rebounding has nothing to do with Trump. 

What would you attribute it to?  I'm not saying Trump should be given credit for all this.  My stance is that the market is proven time and time again that will fall with the announcement of bad news and then, not too much after that, it will conveniently forget the bad news and climb back up.  Sure, there are protracted moments where the impact lasts longer.

it's really not all that different from the our society as a whole.  Bad news, when announced, garners a strong reaction, and then people forget about it as they are distracted by other things and eventually they get back to their lives (or focus on the next bad news).

22 hours ago, K-9 said:

About time we got a story about ICE actually doing the job their mission calls for. 

But that in no way validates the many extra-judicial actions they’ve performed since January. Things like arresting innocent US citizens, setting off explosives to enter the home of a US citizen, raiding elementary schools to round up children, riding thru parks on horseback just because, wearing masks to conceal their identity, or deporting people for MISDEMEANORS,  just to name a few. 

I wonder how many pardoned January 6th criminals serve in their ranks? And I gotta wonder also how attractive it is to groups like the Proud Boys who get to go and round up brown people.

I continue to be on the fence about concealing their identity.  I don't think it's unreasonable for people who are responsible for effecting the capture of international gang members to remain anonymous.  They, and their families, are put at risk should their identities be discovered.

It's certainly one thing to argue WHO they target and certainly some of their actions have been downright deplorable and potentially illegal. I think that's the real problem is seeing armed, masked men, disappearing people off the street or in very public venues easily draws the comparison to other regimes that we all agree have violated human rights using similar actions.

Even then, even if their targets are seemingly harmless illegal persons, having their picture appear on a raid could still warrant them and their families to a response from gangs or other reactionary individuals.

 

1 hour ago, Demoted said:

Such a weird thing to make up to make yourself feel better about voting for a PEDO. 

Please enlighten me.  Has Donald Trump been reasonably accused or convicted of this offense?  Are you using this terminology because he has ties to someone who has been convicted of this offense?

While it's certainly reasonable to believe that Trump is aware of what Epstein was engaged in there's a difference in knowing and not saying anything and engaging in the actions required to earn that title.

This is walking a really fine line and without some evidence I think crosses it for how conversations in this forum should be conducted. Provide evidence or edit your post please.