2025 NHL Entry Draft Thread

[JoeSchmoe]

One last link...

 

 

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On 5/1/2025 at 11:19 AM, LGR4GM said:

Here's the thing with the 2025 draft. Basically everyone available at 8 will have some type of size or high end motor or combination thereof. They'd have to royally screw up to get Nylander 2.0

McQueen is 6'5"

Desnoyers is 6'2"

Martin and Bear are 6' and will eat your soul.

O'Brien is 6'2"

Carbonneau is 6'1"

I'm probably missing someone but we should be in good shape. 

Sign me up for the "eat your soul" guys, PLEEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSE???!!! 

[steveoath]

12 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

One last link...

 

 

Rapidly becoming a player I hope we can get

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, steveoath said:

Rapidly becoming a player I hope we can get

We can get him at 7 but word of caution. There's this guy in every draft with varying skill levels. Tyler Boucher of 2021 comes to mind. Martin at 7 would worry me, sure he'll be an nhl player but am I getting a 40pt 3rd line guy or the potential for a 70pt top 6 guy. 

He's physical yes, but his underlying skills impo put him in that 12-18range. He does a lot of stuff at a glide.

He's 6' 174lbs, so Martin isn't some big ole wrecking ball either. 

[LGR4GM]

I like Martin and I'm not saying he's a 3rd liner but I think some of his offensive play will need modifications to transfer. His shot is heavy and he'll fire from anywhere. His pace is frantic and I think that's good but at the NHL level he'll need to apply it better. Also, EP has this:

"Brady Martin has one gear, and it's the destroy the world gear." 

As always ep is awesome in their prospect coverage with their scouting reports.

Edited yesterday at 01:49 PM by LGR4GM

[JoeSchmoe]

57 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

We can get him at 7 but word of caution. There's this guy in every draft with varying skill levels. Tyler Boucher of 2021 comes to mind. Martin at 7 would worry me, sure he'll be an nhl player but am I getting a 40pt 3rd line guy or the potential for a 70pt top 6 guy. 

He's physical yes, but his underlying skills impo put him in that 12-18range. He does a lot of stuff at a glide.

He's 6' 174lbs, so Martin isn't some big ole wrecking ball either. 

If there's a 70pt guy, we have to take him... But outside of Misa, do you think any of the other picks will hit that?

As I was saying before, Martin was a +25 on a team that was -42 and has the work ethic to change the culture of the team. Plus, he was one of the best offensive players in the draft in the second half of the season and I see him at 50 to 60 points in his prime. From what little I saw, I also really like that Carter Bear guy you posted about... I just happen to know Martin's game going back quite a few years and think he has intangibles that other kids might not have.

[LGR4GM]

7 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

If there's a 70pt guy, we have to take him... But outside of Misa, do you think any of the other picks will hit that?

As I was saying before, Martin was a +25 on a team that was -42 and has the work ethic to change the culture of the team. Plus, he was one of the best offensive players in the draft in the second half of the season and I see him at 50 to 60 points in his prime. From what little I saw, I also really like that Carter Bear guy you posted about... I just happen to know Martin's game going back quite a few years and think he has intangibles that other kids might not have.

Martin could be a 70pt player. He's got the skills for it and the aggression but to answer your question, no I wouldn't guarantee anyone else other than Misa as a 70pt player. Someone will be, but that's open for debate who from the class. 

Interestingly, Martin plays a high event clever offensive game that would mesh well with Benson. I have a sneaky suspicions that those 2 would play off each other perfectly. 

[SabreFinn]

5 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

If there's a 70pt guy, we have to take him... But outside of Misa, do you think any of the other picks will hit that?

As I was saying before, Martin was a +25 on a team that was -42 and has the work ethic to change the culture of the team. Plus, he was one of the best offensive players in the draft in the second half of the season and I see him at 50 to 60 points in his prime. From what little I saw, I also really like that Carter Bear guy you posted about... I just happen to know Martin's game going back quite a few years and think he has intangibles that other kids might not have.

I think what you said about changing culture is the main reason why we should take him. 

[LGR4GM]

@JoeSchmoe is selling and I'm not opposed to buying. I just need to think it over first. 

[JoeSchmoe]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Interestingly, Martin plays a high event clever offensive game that would mesh well with Benson

That would be culture changing!

[LGR4GM]

 

 

[Flashsabre]

Drop back into the teens for Martin and pick up a player that helps now for the drop. Martin gives me Peca vibes

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

Drop back into the teens for Martin and pick up a player that helps now for the drop. Martin gives me Peca vibes

Just draft him where you are. 

[LGR4GM]

There's no real evidence moving down in the NHL draft is a good thing. Statistically it's not. 

[Flashsabre]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Just draft him where you are. 

You would be good taking Martin at#7?

[dudacek]

30 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

You would be good taking Martin at#7?

I think the "consensus" that emerges prior to an NHL draft loses all meaning after the first few picks.

You take the guy you like the best. You don't  ignore your gut and let McAvoy slide by in favour of Nylander. ***** the consensus.

Look at the drafts between 5-15 years ago. Most of those drafts tended to follow the consensus. Most drafts are wrong.

[Flashsabre]

50 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I think the "consensus" that emerges prior to an NHL draft loses all meaning after the first few picks.

You take the guy you like the best. You don't  ignore your gut and let McAvoy slide by in favour of Nylander. ***** the consensus.

Look at the drafts between 5-15 years ago. Most of those drafts tended to follow the consensus. Most drafts are wrong.

But we have no idea at all if the Sabres like Martin above the other options to draft him at 7. 
 

He did score again tonight for Canada.

The Canadian goalie is very good and is up for the draft.Ivankovic

Edit: Martin scored again. Canada dog walking Sweden 5-0 in the second period of the Championship game.

 

Id take Martin 7th or 8th over a McQueen. He has a culture changing kind of mentality that the Sabres are in dire need of. A warrior type of player.  I wouldn’t be shocked though if a Boston or Philly took him even higher regardless of rankings.

Edited 16 hours ago by Flashsabre

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

You would be good taking Martin at#7?

Can't say yet. You're asking April questions that have June answers. 

[LGR4GM]

42 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

Id take Martin 7th or 8th over a McQueen. He has a culture changing kind of mentality that the Sabres are in dire need of. A warrior type of player.  I wouldn’t be shocked though if a Boston or Philly took him even higher regardless of rankings.

No one player changes a teams culture. You need multiple guys. 

Also, again caution on Martin. Let's not make him out to be some McDavid level or even Tkachuk level player. Let's under-sell a bit more than over.

Edited 16 hours ago by LGR4GM

[Flashsabre]

28 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

No one player changes a teams culture. You need multiple guys. 

Also, again caution on Martin. Let's not make him out to be some McDavid level or even Tkachuk level player. Let's under-sell a bit more than over.

You’re absolutely right but you have to start somewhere and he would be a good add to start to build towards that type of culture.

Martin isn’t a superstar talent. If he turns into a Peca that would be big. From the talent in the Sabres pipeline I think he would be a good fit as someone that drags his fellow players into the fight. 

[JoeSchmoe]

41 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:

You’re absolutely right but you have to start somewhere and he would be a good add to start to build towards that type of culture.

Martin isn’t a superstar talent. If he turns into a Peca that would be big. From the talent in the Sabres pipeline I think he would be a good fit as someone that drags his fellow players into the fight. 

I watched the full game too. Martin got the 2G, player of the game (Ivankovic should have got it) and led Team Canada at +4. They haven't updated it, but I think he'll get the tournament lead at +15.

I wanted to see him get the hat trick, but TBH he seemed disinterested... I thought he was coasting from about the 5-0 mark. Not sure if that's a cause for concern or a pro given the team had the game won and he's team first? 

Edit: Here's the final +/- leaders.

 

Edited 15 hours ago by JoeSchmoe

[SabreFinn]

3 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

You’re absolutely right but you have to start somewhere and he would be a good add to start to build towards that type of culture.

Martin isn’t a superstar talent. If he turns into a Peca that would be big. From the talent in the Sabres pipeline I think he would be a good fit as someone that drags his fellow players into the fight. 

With Benson and Helenius they might already have started changing culture.

[LGR4GM]

3 hours ago, SabreFinn said:

With Benson and Helenius they might already have started changing culture.

I'd toss Zeimer in there as well. 

[steveoath]

Haven’t seen helenius play. What type of a player is he?

[Flashsabre]

11 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

I watched the full game too. Martin got the 2G, player of the game (Ivankovic should have got it) and led Team Canada at +4. They haven't updated it, but I think he'll get the tournament lead at +15.

I wanted to see him get the hat trick, but TBH he seemed disinterested... I thought he was coasting from about the 5-0 mark. Not sure if that's a cause for concern or a pro given the team had the game won and he's team first? 

Edit: Here's the final +/- leaders.

 

He is a +/- monster on all his teams.  I just think the overall package he brings is something the Sabres could really use. Add him to Benson and Helenuis and start to change the culture that has been brutal for 15 years.