JohnC

Then which option would you take that @Brawndopresented? Either option seems like a reasonable return to me.

It was bad enough that this situation wasn't handled properly in Chicago but even worse is that the evil doer was given a recommendation that allowed him to get a job at a school where he abused another person. When an organization doesn't respond properly and quickly when information is learned about an abuse the ripple effect gets wider. The punishment should be more severe. The Q coach may not be in Chicago now but he should be held accountable.

If you had the choice of getting Zegras and Comtois from Anaheim or Krebs and Tuch from Vegas for Jack which deal would you make? Let's not factor in any draft picks in this hypothetical trade.

I don't believe that Mitts should be factored in any trade for Jack. If Krebs is in a deal you are essentially trading Jack for Krebs. That in itself would make it an unbalanced deal favoring Vegas. That's why I would expect a player such as Tuch to be included in the deal. In addition, to financially make the deal work for Vegas they need to have a significant salary going out to somewhat balance out the incoming Jack salary.

I would take Krebs, Tuch and a first or even a second round pick for Jack. Tuch is on IR and his departing salary for Vegas would offset some of Jack's incoming salary. When Tuch gets healthy he is a first or second line forward for us. If you add Krebs to the group of Quinn, Peterka, Power and Samuelsson you can see the young core expanding in the not too distant future. These young players would thrive under the tutelage of Granato.

Maybe we will be drafting a little lower in the draft? 🙂 What's your opinion of Oskari Laaksonen who is in Rochester right now? Will he be ready to make the jump up next year or a year after? Is he at the minimum a third pairing caliber of player?

It's ironic that entering the season the goaltending staffing was the biggest concern for most of us (including me). In the first half dozen games where this team has played beyond expectations goaltending has not only been consistently good but it has been the main reason why this gritty yet incomplete roster has played beyond expectations. I don't know if it can hold up but to put it mildly I'm pleasantly surprised.

I disagree with your comments about Dahlin. As for Power I'm hoping that he lives up to his lofty draft status. The consensus of the draft analysts categorized him as an elite prospect. With respect to future of our blue line grouping it looks bright if you include Samuelsson, Johnson, Dahlin, Power and Joki. It's taking time to form but it is materializing.

I agree with you that there isn't going to be a quick return for a contribution from Levi. My guess would be 2-3 yrs. down the road. The shame of the Reinhart saga is that he could have been secured a couple of years ago. It's like taking a step forward only to then take two steps back. What was surprising is that it appears that that Risto returned more assets than Reinhart did. I would never have predicted that.

I was as much of a fan of Sam as anyone here. He undoubtedly would have been an anchor player for us. The failure to keep him in the fold was a reflection of the organization's incompetence. It is beyond being exasperated to know that he was willing to sign an extension a year or two before his contract would run out. A mistake is a mistake. So you move on. As @LGR4GMpointed out if Levi turns out to be our #1 netminder in a year or two then the complexion of that deal becomes a little bit more rosy. And based on his early play in top tier college hockey that is not an outlandish hope.

Dahlin like all players will be a better player when surrounded by more talent. I see that steadily happening now. And it helps that he is being coached by someone who has a more enlightened approach to the game.

I agree with your point that you don't know for certain who will turn out to be the best prospect. But I qualified my comment with the word arguably that he was the consensus best prospect. Even if other players turn out to be better than he turns out to be I still consider his selection as the right selection at the time.

Arguably we got the best player in this past draft.

Within a year or so the Sabres will add Peterka, Quinn, Power and Samuelsson to the Buffalo roster. Assuming that there will be a Jack trade another player or two could be added to next year's roster. The rebuilding strategy to grow the young core is being executed. Stay the course.

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This is Bullshiiit!

Do you know if DirecTv NHL hockey package will cover this game? It didn't indicate that it will on the schedule. If not I'll be upset! This is BullShiiit!

Trust me my optimism on this issue is not unbridled. I'm aware that it's very likely that Jack will eventually be dealt. I just feel strongly that if you have a significant asset, even if is currently diminished, then that asset should not be dealt for less than full value. And because of his injury status it is going to take time for the value to be restored. As I have stated before I believe that KA is handling this situation very well.

I'm aware that the organization wants to move him and the player wants out. That's the situation right now. However, the stance by the GM is that he wants a high return back for him. Most people agree with that position. As of now the market indicates a severe diminution of his value because of his questionable health status. It is likely that a long time is going to pass before he will be dealt in order for his value to be restored. There is a good chance that it might not happen until the offseason. Can the situation change and the bad blood between the parties change to accommodation? I believe so. Most people don't.

The point that I and a very few others have been making is that the situation with the team and the organization was in a downward spiral. And with Granato as the coach there is a completely different environment in which a healthy Jack would not only thrive but also significantly benefit the team. So far in this early stage of the season this team is doing well. That' encouraging. However, it still lacks talent to be considered a serious team. Jettisoning one of the top players in the league (when healthy) for pennies on the dollar in my opinion is the wrong approach to take.

I don't understand what you are getting at. The simple solution is just don't respond back. I say this with no rancor.

Very illuminating due to the contextualizing of the issue. Quite a contrast compared to the caricaturing and demonizing of a player on this topic. I understand why there are different/conflicting perspectives coming from the organization and the player. It's a multifaceted and complex issue that too many people try to simplify. It's not about good guys and bad guys. Each party to this saga is trying to act in their own best interest. In the real world life isn't always simple.

Within this WGR link is a 17 min segment with Seth Appert, the coach of the Amerks, talking about the young players on the team. He talks about the young players and what they are doing in their developmental process. https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/authors/howard-and-jeremy

As @Thornyaptly stated very nuanced and an incisive analysis of the situation.