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  1. Make a trade

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    1 hour ago, Pimlach said:

    No one in the NHL was offered Murray a position since his glorious rebuild of the Sabres.  But you can go ahead and be entertained.  

    Thanks! 

    You are actually mad lol 

    5 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

    If we had done a full rebuild in 2015, by 2019 we would have been playoff bound. 

    There's no way of proving that 

    4 hours ago, Curt said:

    Murray had some hits and misses.

    His ROR trade was great.  Some other trades looked good on paper, but Murray’s big downfall was that he ignored a lot of off ice/character issues.  He knew Lehner as well as anyone, being the AGM in Ottawa previously.  It’s now pretty well documented that Kane and Bogosian were not a good influence in a young locker room.  Cal O’Reilly was bullying (or whatever) the team’s top prospect down in the AHL.  The result was a fractured team that couldn’t get on the same page.

    It’s ok for fans to say “that it looked good on paper “ or “how could we have known “ that these guys would have had issues, but that doesn’t fly for Murray.  As the GM, it was his job to know/find out these things.  He built a team on paper, but not in the locker room.

    @Toilet_Mop this covers your reply as well.

    Well said 

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    25 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

    He definitely did. Big time. But you know, at the time, I remember most people thought his plan was good at first. ROR was supposed to be a game changing 2 way 2C with McDavid (or Eichel, they were both supposed to be "generational") as the scoring 1C. It was supposed to be a Gretzky-Messier equivalent and many thought it was. Kane was supposed to be happy to be out of Winnipeg and would blossom into the ultimate sniper power forward he was supposed to be potting multi goals off McDavid/Eichel's passes. Bogo was supposed to have added tough D and Lehner was going to be the future goalie (which he sort of became for a bit, we just didn't know he had so many "issues"). A lot of it made sense at the time and it's kind of amazing how spectacularly it all went wrong. 

    The plan was good it just didn't work out. Getting Kane and Bogosian for Stafford and Myers was a great trade. Stafford and Myers each had one great year then fell apart. Kane was disgruntled but very talented. Bogosian was not as good as he should have been but was tough as nails 

    The O'Reilly trade was great only ended up trading spare parts for him 

    Miller was aging and we got Halak who pulled a Slava Kozlov unfortunately. I was super pumped about that trade 

    All the players he traded for got better when they left. Murray couldn't have known that Kane, Eichel and O'Reilly would be whiners who needed the spotlight. That was the down fall. Our "leaders" were all giant whiners 

    The only thing I really didn't like was the losing on purpose. That's pretty much the weakest thing you can tell your team to do, and the players certainly didn't like it. Got worse after the fans got behind it. I believe it was Mike Weber who said he couldn't believe that the fans were okay with losing. He stunk but I agree 

    Murray tried and failed. It was entertaining. It made sense at the time. Oh well 

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  5. Make a trade

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    12 minutes ago, Curt said:

     

    Sorry, didn’t mean to be harsh.

    Im sure at some point there will be a trade from among the forward ranks.  There are just too many players for the long term.  They will need to consolidate or swap for D.  I think they want the young forwards to separate themselves and basically show them who deserves to stick around for years to come.  I’m not sold on Krebs and Mitts yet.  Very early for Quinn and Peterka, but I’m hopeful.  Cozens and Asplund I believe are here for the longer haul.

    Im not sure where exactly management thinks these guys fit.  It’s an unlikely time of year for a trade though.  Seems like 90% of NHL trades happen within 2 weeks of either the deadline or the draft.

    Agreed 

  6. Make a trade

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    1 minute ago, Curt said:

    You say that a full and complete rebuild is what was needed, but you seem to be be out of patience for it after one season and 15 games of the rebuild.  Full and complete rebuilds generally take a smidge longer than that before they result in a playoff team.

    Lol I'm not out of patience I wouldn't mind seeing a trade though. A trade is what landed us Thompson, and NOBODY thought that was good trade 

    I fully understand what a rebuild entails 

  7. Make a trade

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    2 minutes ago, Curt said:

    If……

    You sound like someone who is done with if’s and maybe’s.  The Sabres didn’t get McDavid.  Murray failed spectacularly.

    Yes he did. I just found his brand entertaining 

    Definitely not done with ifs and maybes. The is the right plan, the full rebuild. I just don't see why you couldn't make a trade. I still think the current team can turn it around 

    This was to be more of a hypothetical thread anyway 

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    1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said:

    Bo Horvat is a UFA. Extreme overpayment. 
     
    I haven’t read the thread yet but I’m guessing some home else has pointed this out 

    Plus the forwards aren’t the problem 

    So you're saying he could be a rental, but rentals are overpaid for all the time. The Sabres have a ton of Cap space. The reality is Buffalo is known to be a not so great destination for players wanting to be here and not only because the team stinks 

    1 minute ago, Crusader1969 said:

    I feel sick reading this post 

    Yeah yeah get a bag 

  17. Make a trade

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    7 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

    You lost me when you gave Terry Murray credit.   I would not give him credit for anything except for setting this franchise back 10 years in his one and only GM job. 

    What is your obsession with this 5'10" winger myth?  The Sabres have one 5'10" winger, Vinne Hinostoza, on the roster.  They have two 5'11" wingers, Olofsson and Skinner.  Two capable goal scorers.  

    Yes, they have some forwards coming up that are not 6' tall.  Savioe is 5'9" and he does not play small.  Östlund is 5'10".  Kilich is 5"11" and he is already with Rochester in the AHL at 18 years old.  He played against men in Czech when he was 17.   Did you play in a professional men's sport league at that age?   Maybe he just might be tough, strong, and unafraid?   

    It is not the size of the dog.   It's the size of the fight in the dog.  

    I could give you a long list of 5'10 forwards that hold their own and more.  

    Who is Terry Murray 

  18. Make a trade

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    18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

    I like Horvat

    SCHENN and Boeser, less so. I don't think trading Quinn and JJP for them is wise. 

    Tim Murray felt that way. It's why Brock Boeser isn't a Sabre already. 

    If we had gotten McDavid you'd be singing a different tune 

  19. Make a trade

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    Just now, LGR4GM said:

    I'd like to give a guy who destroyed the ahl and is like 3rd on the Sabres in fancy stats some more runway than 12 games before trading him away. 

    Nah. Everything's on the table when you've been terrible for 12 years 

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    11 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:

        I have to agree with Liger - lopsided beyond belief.  Horvat is a UFA in 2023.  Use the Giroux trade as a comparable.  Leader, Center and traded at the deadline last year to Florida.  Slightly older. What did the Flyers get in return? Owen Tippet (High draft pick, 23, hasn't played a full season with 21 points as career high), a 2024 first round pick (two years away) and a 2023 3rd rounder.   So if I knew I could sign Horvat to an extension and thought it was the right move, would I give them Mitts, 2024 3rd round + 2025 1st and Mitts, sure. 

    Who is Liger? 

  22. Make a trade

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    49 minutes ago, kas23 said:

    I’d definitely take on a boat anchor, just as long as someone of high quality is also coming back, preferably a defenseman. KA is hoarding all this cap space with the assumption that he’s likely going to have to use it to sign all our players over the next few years. However, it doesn’t look like any of them (outside of Dahlin) is going to break the bank. 

    Maybe he's saving it for Kane 

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  23. Make a trade

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    6 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

    If you think that Cozens, Krebs, Quinn, and/or Peterka aren't going to get much better anytime soon then go ahead and try to make a trade for this teams sake.

    But if you still have confidence that 2 or 3 of the above are going to take anything more than a small step forward this year, then I'd rather wait for that to happen (again, if you THINK it is going to happen)

    A healthy Jokiharu doesn't seem to be a first pair D-men, but he is OK on the 2nd pair. At least "OK" enough compared to what will fill that spot if you do trade him away. I'd rather not do that.

    Okay I see your point on Jokiharju but still don't think he's anything special at all. Have Vancouver add Schenn in there 

    I say Vancouver because they're off to a bad start and they might also like to shake things up a bit. I'd say their roster is better right now than the Sabres. And isn't Horvat unlikely to sign? I'd take him in a second. Boeser has zero goals on the season but has been proven effective in the past 

    To BUF:

    Boeser, Horvat, Schenn 

    To VAN 

    Two firsts (or 5 don't care seen enough Mittlestadts and Nylanders) 

    Jokiharju 

    Quinn 

    Peterka 

    And could even take more than that but I'd do it 

     

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  24. Make a trade

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    Just now, PerreaultForever said:

    idk if there is interest at this point from other teams or the timing is right. I agree with the idea from a Sabres perspective, but the only thing I see teams wanting right now is salary dumps so they have cap space at deadline time. Guys like Craig Smith in Boston will be available but guys like that aren't going to help. 

    I'd trade a forward prospect for a defensive prospect though since we didn't draft any of the upper round ones. maybe somebody would be into that. idk which teams have too many D prospects though. 

    Agree about timing because no ones desperate yet, but if you could make a player for player trade, what would it be? Do you have a specific guy in mind? Like wow he'd be great on the Sabres or something to that effect 

  25. Make a trade

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    I think it's time. We have an exorbitant amount of prospects, players and 5'10 wingers who are all the same. 

    I get the long term approach, but how many picks do you really need to acquire? Tim Murray did it backwards he traded everything like a madman which was highly entertaining but in the end, he was a crazy man. I give him credit for trying to win RIGHT NOW but he had to go. Still not sure why he traded Neuvirth. But to make no trades at all, and to only trade for picks and prospects is clearly not working. 

    I don't dislike Granato or Adams. A full and complete rebuild is the right idea, which is what they're doing. Hope is great, and apart of hockey, but you can't sell hope forever. 

    It's clear we need something to shake this roster up a bit, nothing insane, but something. I would take insane though. Nothing would make me happier than to acquire a Shane Doan type. So let's hear your best trade ideas, heck even the somewhat crazy ones. A trade would get this place AMPED and rightfully so. 

    I would trade two firsts Mittlestadt and Jokiharu for Bo Horvat and if they wanted a bit more, do it 

    MAKE A TRADE ADAMS 

     

     

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