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  8. Has this losing streak already doomed this season?

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    1 minute ago, thewookie1 said:

    Carolina weren't a scrub team, but were extremely lucky in the playoffs with every competitor having critical injuries. Additionally Cam Ward was truly a 1 hit wonder for them that year. 

    Buffalo had a far better team when healthy and seeing as we took them to 7 games using a Defense held together with glue and scotch tape.

    Do not agree. At all 

  9. Has this losing streak already doomed this season?

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    2 minutes ago, Marvin said:

    The goal you are thinking of was Carolina's go-ahead goal.  He looks deflated on the replay, but giving up?  I don't see that at all.  (All of Game 7 is on YouTube.)

     

    Don't need to watch it again. I remember it vividly

    Deflated is a synonym for giving up as far as I'm concerned. I can't be convinced that he didn't give up. He did, and the look was all over his face 

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  11. Has this losing streak already doomed this season?

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    6 minutes ago, Marvin said:

    Caveat: the under-rating of Carolina is not just in Buffalo, but league wide.  Having said that, they were exceptionally lucky not just with their lack of injuries, but critical injuries to their opponents -- not just Buffalo.  Does anyone beat Ottawa if Hasek does not get injured in the Olympics?  The Habs were up 2-0 on Carolina before Koivu got injured.  And you have to ask if Edmonton wins the Cup if their #1G is not injured -- in game 1 of the Final.  And most fans besides Buffalonians think the Sabres win that series handily with just 2 of the D back from injury; many make the argument that just 1 would have changed the outcome of Game 7.

    However, sure we can make a very educated guess as to what could have happened.

    Carolina was missing their #3C, which washes with the Sabres missing Connolly.

    The Sabres were missing their #4D, Kalinin, the entire series.  Their #1D in Tallinder was injured in Game 3.  After game 2, their #5D in Numminen only played 1 period of Game 6.  And then the nail in the coffin was their #3D, McKee, getting the stapf infection after Game 6.  The analogue of that defence in Game 7 is Dahlin, Power, Lyubushkin, Bryson, Pilut, and Fitzgerald -- and saying Lyubushkin is the equivalent of Fitzpatrick is being pretty generous to Rory.

    If Carolina had been so good that they would have beaten the Sabres with no injuries, why didn't they blow the Sabres out in any of games 4-7?  The Sabres were leading game 7 heading into the 3rd period, for God's Sake.  That should never happen if Carolina were as good as you claim; it should have been a shooting gallery in the Buffalo end with something like a 5-1 final with Carolina floating through the 3rd period.  And that does not even count that game 7 should never have happened if they had been that good.

    I literally can not think of any reason that the Sabres don't win that series in 6 if they only had been missing Connolly, Kalinin, and Numminen after game 3.  Heck, I can make the argument that if the had had Connolly for the series, they beat Carolina even with the D injuries because he made that power play lethal.

    I appreciate the detailed response 

    However, we did lose the season series 3-1 to them 

    Carolina also had home ice advantage which as we all know is huge come playoff time. They had top to bottom goal scoring on all 4 lines. They made key acquisitions at the trade deadline. We did not 

    I did not agree with some coaching and player efforts either. Why did Ruff bench Vanek? He was a rook yes but had scored 25 goals on the season. Why didn't Ruff put him back in when Connolly got injured? Confusing. And Miller imploded in that final period. He gave up. One goal in particular there was a scrum and Carolina scored and Miller literally gave up. I'll always remember that image 

    We have a low point thread in here somewhere and I think it's that series loss. I agree with many of the points you guys are making. But people act like Carolina was some scrub team that would've gotten 4-0ed if it wasn't for injuries. I disagree 

  12. Has this losing streak already doomed this season?

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    Just now, Porous Five Hole said:

    In hindsight, that roster was pretty loaded with veteran talent. 
     

    https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0009792006.html

    I still think the Sabres were better and 100% agree with @Taro T that injuries played a huge role in how that series ended up.  

    They added Doug Weight and Mark Rechhi at the deadline which was paramount to their playoff success, I can't even remember if the Sabres made a move. Probably not 

    They also had true stay at home defenseman just like the Sabres read right now.

    Samuelsson being back really did change the outlook for me. Just gotta do it consistently. Adams seems to have gotten the Thompson/Samuelsson contracts correct  

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  14. Has this losing streak already doomed this season?

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    23 minutes ago, Taro T said:

    Carolina got the SC that year because their opponents suffered key injuries (the Sabres well documented injuries, Williams putting his stick in Koivu's eye, breaking the Eulers' starter) while they only suffered 1 injury of their own & that when they had a great replacement finally healthy and ready to step in.  Until game 6 of the Finals they never had a single one of their 20 dressed players unable to go in the next game due to injury.  That run of injury-free luck will NEVER be repeated.

    Agreeable but it sounds like you're saying Carolina wasn't a great team. They were 

  15. Has this losing streak already doomed this season?

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    3 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:


    The 99 and 06 teams we’re supposed to be good


    The debate is definitely between the 1995 and 2005 teams as to which was the biggest shock/accomplishment/out of nowhere unbelievable 

    I’ll always be partial to the teams with Hasek - oh and also my pfp lol. That team was so much fun.
     

    The 2005 team is right there and I think most fans would say it’s that team.  I’m not going to put an argument against that.  But the way it ended left such a sick disappointment it over shadows how unreal that team was.  The ultimate Buffalo what could have been.  

    Most Sabres fan underrate that Carolina team from 05-06. Yeah, I get it, the Sabres defensive injuries were brutal. And that definitely played a role in how the series went. But Carolina was absolutely loaded. With veterans literally everywhere. Cam Ward came in and shocked the hockey universe 

    In the end Carolina was grittier and had more established veterans, a playoff style team. I still think we probably lose even with zero injuries 

    And Miller completely fell apart in that 3rd period 

    That team with Hasek in net and it's a 4-0 series win in all series' including the cup 

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  22. GDT: Buffalo Sabres @ Montreal Canadians 11/22/22--MSG and Radio

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    1 minute ago, Thorny said:

    The good thing about the fact we acquired a bunch of potential 2Cs (Krebs, Mittelstadt, Cozens, Savoie) is that it was always a reasonable strategy because it's a good odds-play. A couple of them not meeting the mark isn't disappointing, it's likely. But it also appears to have worked in accomplishing it's positive goal, too: Cozens looks like he'll be a damn good 2C to me. 

    If Thompson holds up at 1C and Cozens is a good 2C, not only is that a reasonable spot to be in for your top 2Cs, we may end up w/some found money on Savoie. 

    Like I've said a million times - the easiest way to find yourself with successful prospects is to limit the expectations of what you are asking for them. If Savoie only "needs" to become a good 3C... hey look out 

    Kinda like Roy and Pominville we had the right guys ahead of them and then when they left they had career years. They were ready 

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