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  1. 1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said:

    Murray is an easy target. Attacking him is an easy way to make snide comments and pretend to look smart. What is much harder is to say what YOU (and I don't mean you personally, but rather whoever attacks Murray) would have done differently at the time (also not knowing you wouldn't win the lottery and so forth). You know, maybe Lehner wasn't worth a first, but would you NOT have traded for him? Would you have not snapped up the disgruntled Kane? Would you have NOT shipped out Stafford? Passed on ROR and saved that Tim Horton's from needing repairs? What was the better plan - again, NOT using hindsight which you didn't have at the time. 

    I know I might have screwed it up too. I thought Eichel was going to be great and I thought Eichel-Kane had the potential to be a Hull and Oates level duo. I thought they overpaid for Lehner, but I thought he'd be okay too. I'm not sure I would have done any better really. 

    Agreed 

    Notice how LGR disappeared after he said that. He's going through all his analytical notes right now like a nerd desperate for an answer 

  2. 1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said:

    That's just the key thing though isn't it? Murray destroyed whatever culture this team had left, and we haven't been able to restore yet since. 

    The tank left us with a complete void so he needed character guys to be leaders. He didn't assess the personalities of these additions properly and guys like Eichel learned from drunks and ego centric party animals. His only good role model was a guy we shipped off to some obscure place eventually because we didn't even want him near our prospects in the ahl. Hell of a hockey culture he created and it's still not fixed. 

    Agreed 

    Losing on purpose and not even getting the guy you wanted sunk the team from the start 

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  3. 6 minutes ago, Eleven said:

    This myth has been exploded on this board over and over again to the point that it's not worth it anymore.  I know you're new and I welcome you (hey that rhymes!) but this isn't a thing and I think it's been demonstrated enough.

    That's fair enough but overpayment/slight overpayment guarantees you get the guy you want 

  4. 11 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

    I am not mad at all.   But your take on building a team and on evaluating players and GMs is maddening.   I have been stating in other threads that I wished Adams would do something to accelerate the rebuild AND I think something can be done to improve the team and still keep the cap in mind.  So I can agree with you on that.  

    If I am wrong I will apologize right now, but isn't Horvat a UFA in July?  Isn't that why Vancouver is shopping him? 

    I would like to get a player like Horvat, but at the right price and considering all the factors involved in the contract.  

    You suggested 2 first rounders and Mitts and Joker for Horvat.   Isn't that steep for a possible one year rental?  Then you threw in Quinn and Peterka and suggested giving up even more in a bundle trade to include Boeser and Schenn.    What sense does that make?  

     

    You're going to have to overpay for any guy to come to Buffalo. And the team has been bad. Outside players know that. They'd rather play for a good team or in Florida. "Hey do you want to play for the Sabres AND shovel 8 feet of snow at the same time?" We had zero chance at Mathew Tkachuk. That's why he laughed it off.

    That's where overpaying comes in. Who cares if it's a little "steep" What do you suggest? Underpay? Lol 

    Horvat is a solid all around player. Trade some prospects and players to aquire him, then OVERPAY with the EXTRA CAP SPACE that they're NOT USING ANYWAY 

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  5. 4 hours ago, Eleven said:

    I'd do it.  I'm not that high on Savoie, I don't like Mittlestadt, and I'm sick of waiting 5 years for draft picks to develop.  

     

    Good thing I'm not the GM, I guess.

    Wow a differing opinion how dare you 

    I agree tho 

    There's no rule that says you HAVE to wait for every "prospect" to develop. Some seem to think that 

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