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Shelter is protection Playing WITH someone doesn't protect you from the elements you're facing... Ozone starts shelter you from having the more difficult task of gaining d zone possession against scoring talent, transitioning the puck, and establishing ozone possession. Low Quality of Competition shelters you from getting your dominated by top line talent...

Why acquire 6 million in wasted cap space? I don't think my expectation of a GM not to overreact and trade our 2nd best player is a "perfect world".... It's more like simply expecting a competent world I didn't laud most of his trades... I didn't need the benefit of hindsight. I mean... acquiring Sheary/Hunwick (win now moves), to then trade ROR for futures (build for future)... to then acquire Skinner (we're back to trying to win now, after kneecapping the center spine???) is a testament to how unprepared Botts has been since day 1.

A good GM improves the team around there stars... creates the winning environment... and repairs whatever supposed relationship issues existed (ps I dont buy that for a second)... At the first sign of difficulty Botts was impotent.

Yes...to show Quality of Teammates.... it's just not part of the definition of "shelter"

Do the math. They certainly can... and we could've re-signed Skinner to 9 per, and given Reinhart 6 per long term... and it still would've been fine cap wise.

What? no... playing the minutes doesn't make the quality.... Sobotka isn't a top 6 forward, just because he's playing top 6 forward minutes

I'll give Mittelstadt the benefit of the doubt... he's certainly got more chance to improve over time, than I.... I don't see any reason to believe that their were "major" lockerroom issues... ROR was a grumpy loser. The lockerroom was sad. Guess what... you fix that by adding a generational defensemen... and an elite goal scorer... and upgrading your goaltending.... and then you inject some youth and speed.... while welcoming back some healthy NHL Blueliners... and then... YOU WIN! Winning builds culture. Subtracting all stars does not. And if you are dead set on trading an all star center... you definitely, under no circumstance, impose an artificial deadline over money. That's just crazy stupid.

Sheltered is where you play (zone) and who you play against (QoC).... Pilut is certainly not sheltered when paired with Risto.

4. Scandella was... terrific last year? Out of the 133 defensemen who played at least 1000 ES minutes last year, Scandella was 128th in GF/60.... and 112th in CF/60.....

The future does look bright (thanks to Dahlin), but Botts pushed that bright future further down the timeline when he didn't have to (ROR). The hole he created could take years and/or painful amount of assets to repair. This was the beginning of a contender level core: Skinner-Eichel-XXXX XXXX-ROR-Reinhart XXXX-Mitts-XXXX XXXX-Larsson-Girgs Dahlin-XXXX Pilut-Risto XXXX-XXXX Ullmark/Hutton The center spine we had was foundational... he removed a pillar... and for practically nothing in return. We had a Bergeron / Toews level center (on the ice) to play behind Eichel... and now we have a huge hole and some moderate futures instead.

Mittelstadt's season has been chock full of mistakes.... he's 20 years old... he's not a veteran of a pro league coming off being named the league's best defensemen... he's sat for exactly zero games. Housley is a clown

Yes, the definition of Prospect is semantics... but the definition you give it, impacts the view of the pipeline. The more players you choose to graduate from prospect status, the less the quality of the pipeline matters because you've accounted for numerous long term roles at the NHL level. i.e. the lack of a #1 defensemen in the pipeline doesn't matter when you've graduated Dahlin. The abscence of the top end center, doesn't matter as much when you've graduated Mittelstadt. etc Behind Dahlin/Mitts... I'm not projected any forwards in to top line roles... im projecting secondary scoring at best (that's not to say everyone turns out and hits their projection). But that's ok on a roster that has Eichel, Reinhart, Skinner, Mittelstadt accounting for long term roles. I'm not projecting any top pair D, and that's ok because Dahlin is a top pair unto himself.

So Rakish is less optomistic than I am?

If you followed Pittsburgh, you knew exactly what we were getting with Sheary... a player who brings very little individual skill to the table, and needs Crosby-esque level playmaking to cash in. Adding Sheary and then trading ROR makes no sense.... Good thing the 3rd is conditional.... if Sheary's scores 20 goals the 4th becomes a 3rd....

Do you use some sort of system to rank them?

Why would Philly massively downgrade from Couturier to RNH... when RNH has fewer remaining years and costs more?

McCabe-Risto : 50% CF / 41% GF Pilut-Risto: 54% CF / 53% GF Come on Housley... this ***** isn't hard.

You point to Guentzel and Murray in Pittsburgh regarding drafting/depth... and then turn around and say it cost nothing to trade those picks for 6+ million of filler (Sheary/Hunwick). Which is it? Sheary has like 1 goal in his last 25-30 games... and i'm pretty sure it was an empty net... and we paid draft picks for him... and he's under contract for next year. Hunwick is a a buyout candidate. We traded 3 assets for nothing.

I'm not saying his value is zero. I'm arguing that putting value on protecting Ennis, because he was a component of a trade that ultimately has yielded nothing more than replacement level players for 10 million in cap space.... is not a winning argument regarding expansion.

uh, thought we covered this... ROR Trade Reinhart bridge Sheary/Hunwick trade Mitts/Tage in Buffalo with no buffers

Is there an acceptable ratio then? I don't know guys.... this is just how everyone I've ever known talks about sports.... You see it as condescending, I see it as "pass me another beer".

Look, I'm all for accepting Botts horrible management year 1, because he lucked in to Dahlin... but we can just as easily prove his incompetence post Dahlin

uh huh "So you are in favor of wasting assets for nothing." My mistake. Good idea.

oh no... we wouldn't have the guy who played top pair on the worst team in the league, and now looks like he should be scratched...

Scandella was gotten primarily because Pominville would waive for Buffalo. We could've used any assets to make that deal work. Disagree on the bolded... obviously You think it's debatable whether Botts was trying to win this year? He traded an all star 60 point center for futures and cap dumps...