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We are going to need massive mathematicians. My daughter's and I sat and watched the UAP whistle-blower testimony before congress. 25 and 19 yrs old and they were amazed at the testimony. The future generations are going to be embarking on many great science and mathematical journey's. I was very happy to see my kids fascinated on the subject matter, even if they weren't directly involved in the fields of study for such.

Yes, this is how friends, family, peers in my life have done it.

I don't agree.

Ya, the wife and i saw the costs. It's her goal. I'll post when she graduates, it may be about the time Tage retires, hard to say really. It's on her to get it done if it's her goal is really all I got. So far, for the GER's, she's debt free.

For the first comment, I pointed out at the start my mentor did it, and it took him years. My family is hardly wealthy, loans aren't necessarily an option. I stated it can be done, and it can, unless your stating factually it can't, even though I've factually seen it done, through other avenues than debt. Is that what you are implying here? As for my youngest, she's grounded in reality, her mother and I taught her that. She's fully aware she won't see her degree, which is 6 yr minimum, until she's 30 to 32 yrs old. We sit down with our kids, speak with them, listen to them, and attempt to give options for their goals. Yes; she pays for her own vehicle maintenance, she bought her own car at 17. While I didn't agree with the vehicle choice, it was hers to make so I respect that.

She does door dash and works 4 days for 24 hrs at a local day care.

Well, they weren't my choices, I merely was a friend/peer/parent as they were made. I am baffled as to how you think my merely stating I've witnessed it being done is moral superiority. But, to each their own o guess.

If a simpleton such as myself can find away, others can as well. I happen to believe in the statement "where there's a will, there's a way". And to suggest my character is such that I enjoy others putting themselves in situations that they were not forced in to is pure gaslighting of the subject matter. My smirk isn't that they are in that position, my smirk is that I have witnessed 1st hand the sacrifices others have made around me to avoid the debt to begin with. It is possible, it's merely a matter of what the individual is willing to sacrifice. In each case I've seen, time via patience, sweat, toil and determination. To suggest I, in some way, take satisfaction in decisions of others that put them in a bad position is completely preposterous, otherwise why would I have guided my children to avoid such?

I have 4 children, 2 boys, ages 31, 29, 2 girls, ages 25, 19. 31 followed me in trade. 29 has a 2 yr degree via GI Bill, like myself. 25 is a self made entrepreneur locally, like her mother, 19 is currently 1 yr in to her quest to become a physicians assistant (PA). I know many of their friends, and your correct, I don't know their school debt status, at least, hardly any. I know of 2, maybe 3? That did what my kids did and pay as they went. I do think student loan debt scares them? I know it scares my youngest, the 2 girls.

I cannot disagree with you, merely speak on what I've seen around me. My Nephew, age 29, worked his way through Buf State, started at 18, got his 4 year degree in education at 28 yrs old. Worked various jobs paying his way. I'm not saying things haven't changed, I am saying it is possible. So far what I've noticed is the "time line" to achieve a degree without the loans can be lengthy, but possible.

My mentor got his Masters degree in Electrical Engineering and never took out a loan, paid as he went. For context, my Mentor is my age, 52, we worked together for the first time on the Lakeside Power Plant, Levi, Utah. That was in 05. He was 2 yrs in to schooling when I met him. He finished up his Masters in 2016. Yes, 11 yrs, but we could make 100k+ a year with the hours and only work 8 to 10 months. I always smirk when I hear all the hoopla around student loans. I literally don't know anyone in my personal life who took out loans. Every one of them worked, banked, paid, rinse and repeat per semester. And I know many who have degrees.

I didn't deem any of the conversations as anti-age, more in line with an "are you physically capable" question. Many positions in my field expose you to a variety of physical requirements, working sustained in prolonged high heat exposure while on or inside of equipment as an example. I merely suspected the interviewers intentions of career longevity vs company desired employee given the tone of the conversation. I have thought about it. But I know so many that have done it, and that is nationwide as I traveled extensively for a couple of decades, so I have a great deal of peer networking and friendships. For every one I know of succeeding or holding their own currently, I know 6 or 7 for each one of them that didn't make it. Not that those numbers sway me heavily, but I'm in the last leg of my career run, I'm just not interested in my own show. Ohhhh if I had the experience and knowledge I have now 20 years ago.......

I've worked both over my time in trade. I am indifferent to it to be honest. Most unions don't have the teeth they once had, and I've always been one to chart my own destiny in trade, goal driven of course. But there are merits to job security. I just happen to be fortunate to of been born and raised in WNY, where work ethic isn't merely words spoken, it truly is the backbone of who we are in this region. And that alone has paid a lifetime of dividens for myself in career field.

I have seen over the last couple of decades a real tangible vacuum in many of the skilled trades. Especially in my field, instrumentation and electrical (I&E). For example, PLC's, there are a good number of what youth there is in my field with 2 year degrees for ladder logic programming, yet, they have 0, and I truly do mean 0, actual instrumentation or electrical, especially mechanical electrical (i.e. installing raceways for wire, gaging proper material needs, etc. etc.) as well as they are missing much of the theory application side. Not that there is anything wrong with educating yourself, but PLC's go hand in hand with nearly all facets of industrial electrical, from power plants on down to an overwhelming number of production facilities. I've had more than my share of apprentices who already had the degree, but get frustrated when they run into the "real world applications" of the entirety of the trade. It really is fascinating.

In the interest of full transparency, they weren't implying their concerns on longevity with the company (although, I suspect some had that view). They were directing their concerns based on ability to do the work. I.E. climb on equipment, ladders, etc. Etc. I don't want to mislead, I should have been more detailed in that aspect. In any event, I have found myself chuckling at times as I have raport with many interviewers.

Disclaimer: This isn't a complaint session, merely observations that lead to some humor, at least, for myself. Laid off Dec. 22nd, I started interviews mid June, after my mum passed from cancer. I've been through 17 interviews to date. Here's my take so far. 52 yrs old, every interviewer to date, from Borthtowns to Southtowns and east burbs all pointed at my age during the interviews as possibly problematic. When initial phone interviews were done, in my field (industrial electrical) there's a test of skills, be it written or verbal via over the internet or on the phone. Now, here's where it gets humorous. After being told my age is problematic, 15 of the 17 companies called me back following their search for a qualified individual. Many of them stating I was the most qualified applicant by far (25+ yrs in field you tend to accumulate a great deal of knowledge). But the age thing seems to persist, with many TAT's (Talent Aquustion Team) asking if I know of some younger individuals in my trade that are looking for work. I oblige them an answer and tell them the skilled trades have seen a reduction in interest over the last 30 years. Now here is the real humor, in each follow up call, they establish they'd like me to come in for a plant walk through and to offer a position. I kindly tell them I will do the walk through but will not make a decision until I've completed a thorough interview process of all 17 of my current offers, and that list grows by the day. You should hear the call backs and/or final in-person interviews. All of a sudden, age isn't problematic, as I've had multiple potentials, especially non-union (no contracts to adhere to) up their pay offers or paid time off scenarios. It really is humorous how fast they change their tune lol.

I believe this sets the Canes roster, no?

I thought it moved to Cleveland.

Doesn't that put the Leafs extremely close to the 10% off season escalator?

GM KA staying the course on developing and building from with in?

As the meme says......"Now that's some high quality H2Olofsson" 🤣

If Olofsson is still on the roster, here is his role in the 23/24 season......

Confused? You won't be, after this Season of SABRES....

I agree

Something will need to happen in Toronto for sure. 1 of their "big 3" ($10 mil + contracts, Mathews, Marner, Tavares) are the low hanging fruit for such a solution, but not the most likely imo. A Nylander and Murray combo move is not out of the realm of possibilities I suppose. We'll see what they do as the off season progresses but as of right now, I don't see the Leafs as a true contender.