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My way of interpreting a 'Top 10' is by asking the question, which 10 players in the league do teams focus their strategy around neutralizing? There are players who meet this metric who are just on trash teams (like Eichel), but that doesn't mean they are any less dangerous in a vacuum.
1.) Connor McDavid
2.) Sidney Crosby
3.) Alex Ovechkin
4.) Jack Eichel
5.) Aleksander Barkov
6.) Nikita Kucherov
7.) Artemi Panarin
8.) Nathan MacKinnon
9.) Mathew Barzal
10.) John TavaresYes, all centers and wingers. Karlson has fallen off a cliff.
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8 hours ago, SwampD said:
Tim Murray was fired before he was allowed to rebuild.
Interesting take, since all his draft targets turned into duds and he left us in cap hell that's taken Botterill three season for us the climb out of that's not ready until 2020-2021.
Looks like we will have some cap space to make some UFA splashes by this season. Won't know really what's needed until this season plays out though. I'm hoping we just bank up some space and go after some nice rentals to push a cup run ?
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4 minutes ago, Tondas said:
Seems a little steep for Rakell. I'd go Risto and Erod (don't think Smith get the deal done). No to McCabe with his new 2 year deal.
You do McCabe to shed cap
Rakell doesn’t have the term that’s ideal, but neither do Risto or McCabe. That’s what makes it a fair trade.
Got to overpay a little to get them to move Rakell, but I don’t see any other teams in the league taking on all the cap this trade sheds for anything we’d actually want or they’d actually part with. Tampa was held back by NTC. Cap holds back most other teams.
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Risto+McCabe+Smith to ANA for Rakell
Sign Gardiner 3x6$
Just keep ELC players down on paper for opening roster then LTIR Bogosian on day 1 of season. Over 4 mil in LTIR to cover bonuses worst case, trade Scandella mid season opens up any cap needed when Bogo and Pilut returns.
Skinner-Eichel-Rakell
Sheary-Johansson-Reinhart
Vesey-Mittelstadt-Oloffson
Girgensons-Larsson-Rodrigues
Okposo
Bury: Sobotka, Wilson
Dahlin-Montour
Gardiner-Joki
Scandella-Miller
Nelson
Bury: Hunwick
IR: Bogosian, Pilut. When Pilut returns, trade or 7D Scandella. When Bogosian returns, same. Nelson is expendable here
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19 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:
I dunno. imo a team as bad as we were should not be pushed up against the cap in any way. Something has to give.
I'm starting to wonder if he isn't simply going to move Risto for draft picks and/or prospects.
The only trades that made any sense to me were the package McCabe+Risto for a prospect deal. And I’m totally for it
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Y’all are putting way too much emphasis on the GMs in these negotiations. Skilled RFAs have all of the bargaining power and if they want to only sign short deals, then that’s what they get. It’s really not up to the GM if Dahlin or Reinhart want to go one route or another
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4 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said:
Ah yes, the "you didn't play, therefore you don't know" rebuttal. Some of the best coaches and GMs never played beyond college/junior, while some of the best players of all time have been lousy coaches and managers. I have no doubt that those who played have a better understanding of what players go through on the day to day, but that's quite a bit different than playing experience translating to actually knowing what produces wins.
So you’ve played college or major junior?
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Trade Risto+McCabe+Smith with DET for Mantha?
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Trade Risto+McCabe+Smith with CLB for Dubois?
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6 minutes ago, Tondas said:
I'm going to keep saying that getting rid of McCabe is a mistake. We need more of him, not less. Why do other teams want him??? Because they know his value and need that on their team. I'm ok with Nelson, Hundwick, Scandella, even Pilut if it comes to that, but not McCabe.
They want his hitting. But he has an IQ wall that he could never get beyond. Plus he’s been soured by all our losing over the years. Good change of scenery target.
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2 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:
In all fairness, it just fits the narrative for moving Risto and the apparent defense rebuild Botterill has under taken. Could be another team though to, but given those persistent reports that Buffalo is in the thick of the Gardiner talks all through July, it just seems to fit.
My fear isn't Gardiner off hand, he's a decent 3/4 puck moving LHD imo. My fear is what the return is for Risto. Man, I am really interested in whether it's a stand alone 1 for 1 type deal, a package of players scenario or a combo of players and picks. Also, the LW and LHD positions are heavy NHL caliber players, like more than we have slots for. Now the LW situation I could see slotting a player on the RW, but with 7 NHL caliber (and yes, I know, I know, that's loose with the term caliber ? ) something's gotta give there, no? And LHD, as well...….?
Just all seems to fit is all. Then again, I could be looking at the girl in the cut off shorts walking by the CVS while across the street I completely missed the 4 babes in triangle bikini's walking by the water...………...so who knows. It's just a hunch ?
Trading Risto+McCabe+Smith for a top-6 forward under long term control is an easy win. We have too many defenders and 3rd line forwards. We need top 6. It’s a perfect move.
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3 minutes ago, Broken Ankles said:
We have $33.4M coming off next year. Reinhart might be $8m, and Montour $5-6m? What's $1M going to help next year when there are no UFA's worthy of chasing?
I’m thinking a couple buyouts to maximize the cap space available this year is what will help us in a Risto trade acquire the best return, considering all the teams he’s rumored to have cap problems they have no easy ways to fix.
But Im a little confused because Tampa has NTC on anyone they would trade that costs cap other than Point. And he’s hard to believe they’d part with.
Winnipeg at least has a few options to shed cap to make space for their youth. A few 3C options at least there.
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If we're buying out Sobotka, don't we only have a couple weeks to do so? If we are taking on cap and buying one or a couple of these one-year contracts just to make this season work, then that'd necessitate the 'big Risto' trade occurring in that timeframe?
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1 hour ago, sweetlou said:
I think you can move Scandella to a team like Ottawa or Edmonton for a 6th rd pick if you retain $1million.
I believe Sheary is also gone with the addition of Vesey and Johansson.
Sobotka will be sent down and have to clear waivers. Probably doesn't report and goes back to the KHL terminating his contract with Buffalo.
Would they wait until training camp to move Sobotka like that? If this is the plan I wish it'd already be done.
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Pretty unfair to put guys with injuries on there.
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Interesting that nearly every team avoided arbitration this year or only had one of their players go through it, meanwhile Botterill has forced one through it and has three more expected to as well.
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Risto McCabe Rodrigues for Huberdeau Hoffman huzzah
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I though McCabe would be traded out with Risto in a package, but if he goes through arbitration I thought we couldn’t trade him then?
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I’m mostly looking forward to white gloves. I love white gloves. Vegas’ look is awesome
I wish the sword blades were white and the Buffalo had the red eye. But nitpicking
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Can’t wait to see Eichel skate circles around other teams who are worn down by a playoff series. Eichel is the best athlete in the league.
Hes been held held back because we had a middle 6 last year that did absolutely nothing, letting their defenders rest up.
All these skaters Botterill is acquiring will change that equation.
Its one one thing to be tough. It’s another to have endless motors. We’re trending towards the latter.
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51 minutes ago, Curt said:
In general, I think he is good.
Positives: I like his overall philosophy of building an entire organization full of good people, top to bottom, as opposed to building an NHL hockey team and figuring that everything else would work itself out. I know people sometimes scoff at the culture stuff, but I’m of the opinion that you need quality human beings to truly excel in a team environment. I’ve liked the majority of his trades. I’ve liked the type of defensemen that he has brought in, especially recently. I mostly like the way that he has managed the cap, having Buffalo in good financial shape moving forward.
Negatives: The O’Reilly trade obviously, though I have an inkling that he was given something of an ultimatum from above. Not adequately addressing scoring depth hamstrung the team last season. Goaltending is still a bit of a question mark. These will need to be sorted out moving forward. I wish that Reinhart had been locked up long term last offseason. I feel like that was a missed opportunity to get a good value contract. The Housley hiring didn’t turn out well.
Although there have been a few blemishes along the way, I feel that the team is on the right track. I find myself looking forward to, rather than dreading, the next next roster move. Botterill gets a B from me.
I am so sick of seeing the phrase "winning brings culture". It's such BS. Winning just covers up flaws and makes finding root causes harder to find. The culture at so many top-competing companies are pure trash, and is why they turnover so quickly. Only the ones that managed to get there with culture ever sustain.
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Best GM we’ve ever had. Building not only a roster of talent, but culture that will sustain success. This takes more time than meek fans will have patience for, but all that really matters is the owner here. And I believe Terry has learned after striking out with the hotshots in two different sports and has gravitated to culture guys for both
Struck out on Housley, but I believe Krueger in two years was his plan B from the get go. And good GMs always have a plan B and C ready. That is what former GMs like Murray never had, and ultimately is what Terry said got him fired.
His roster turnover over year to year has been staggering, fixing our cap structure with a bunch of short contracts. Hasn’t signed a bad contract yet. Trade returns are mixed, but his “losses” have all been on guys with locker room problems that our last idiot GM wasted the piggy bank on. Compare our defensive depth from his date of hire to now and you won’t find a comparable turnaround anywhere else, it was really that epic of a job.
Only thing he could’ve done better is find a coach who wasn’t the most sought after coach in the league the year they hired him.
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9 hours ago, nfreeman said:
Interesting debate here. I totally agree with @GASabresIUFAN and @dudacek that the assets ultimately acquired are critical to the analysis, but I also totally agree with @TrueBlueGED and @Randall Flagg that the time value of the assets are critical as well — so IMHO TT and Johnson need to be really freaking good to make up for the intervening period during which ROR is really good while they are non-factors.
Last season was a test on Housley. He couldn't outcoach the aura of ROR, so they got rid of ROR. The following season if Housley failed, we had plenty of ammo for the next coach to build a different team for him. We all saw how it played out. Tage being in the NHL not AHL was a Housley decision ultimately, as Botterill has stated many times. Montour was added to help Housley.
Time value of assets needs to be taken into the context of the season played and the (real) goal of that season. The deadline moves would've been entirely different last season if Housley was a good coach. He wasn't. Remember, Botterill originally wanted to hire Krueger in the first place, not Housley, but Krueger wouldn't breach his contract. The two year Housley experiment was to see if an untested, but 'hot' coach had what it takes.
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Doesn't it depend upon who initiated? Didn't the players elect for arbitration in each of these cases?
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I think you're attributing coaching effects with GM effects. Also, NJD had a great cap situation like when Murray started the job. Botterill needed time to get over the mess that was Murray's choices.