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I never said that. I said after reading the article “I look at the trade differently”. I never said the article discussed the trade or confirmed the opinion. You’re reading into my comment and assuming things I never said. Maybe you should not assume.

You know very well and it was widely reported at the time that TP instructed Jbot had to get the trade done before the bonus was paid. That’s not even debatable. The article discusses that many owners tell their GMs to get this player or dump that player. It’s reasonable to think that Terry not only told Jbot to get ROR gone before the bonus but also behind sending ROR out in the first place. No GM sends out his No. 2 center without a substantial reason and the owner telling you to get it done is one such reason.

I doubt Östlund fits that timeline if he stays in Sweden for another year.

I'm ok with many other moves but they should be in the vain of a top 4 D and a starting goalie with tread left on the tire. Odds are KA won't do either thing I suggest. He likely won't sign Orlov and likely won't acquire any of the goalies mentioned. However, those are the 2 gaping holes that need filling.

Given the conversations from 2 other threads, I have come away with a simple game plan for this off-season 1) Sign Orlov to be Power's partner and mentor to the young D group. 4 years 5.25 per season (3 years would be better, but he may want the 4th come) 2) Trade for any of the 3 goalies - Demko, Saros, or Hart - Trade 1st in 2024, a 2nd in 2023, and Rosen? Less? 3) Move on from VO, Bryson, Comrie, Anderson, and Girgensons (or KO) - Trading VO gets us back some of the assets spent on the goalie. 4) Re-sign one of either KO or Z, but not both - KO - 1yr 3.5 million 5) Re-sign Jost and Clague - 2 years at 2 mill for Jost (PS Happy 25th). $925 K for one year for Clague 6) Extend Power and Dahlin - Dahlin 8 years at 11 per? Power - impossible to even forecast. 7) Sign a 4th-line center who is good on the draw and who can contribute offensively like Eric Haula. Haula, 31, signed two years with Bos at 2.375 for 2 years and has exceeded that contract value both years. What about 2 years @ 2.75 per season? Skinner Tnt Tuch JJP Cozens Quinn Mitts Krebs Kulich/Savoie Greenway Haula KO Jost Samuelsson Dahlin Power Orlov Jokiharju Lyubushkin Clague Stillman Demko/UPL Cost around 79.75 for that roster.

Saros, Hart, and Demko are all upgrades over the mess we have in goal right now. Demko, 27, 3 years left at 5 per season - 2021-22 stats 64gp 2.72 and .915. 2022-23 stats 20gp 3.48 .894 Hart, 24, 1 year left at 3.979 (but an RFA) - 2021-22 stats 45gp 3.16 & .905. 2022-23 stats 48gp 2.96 .906 Saros, 27, 2 years left 5 per season - 2021-22 stats 67gp 2.64 & .918. 2022-23 stats 49gp 2.78 . 917 Honestly, KA should kick the tires on all 3 and see what the GMs' want. I'd be happy with any of the 3. Demko is probably the "buy low" candidate. Hart is only 24 and may have huge upside with the right team in front of him and Saros has had the best numbers of the 3. All are young enough to be the franchise goaltender, but all are also flexible enough contract-wise to be replaced if Levi develops as hoped. If KA came away this summer with one of these 3 goalies and Orlov for the defense I'd be a very happy fan.

Based on the article, I look at the trade very differently. It seems now that Terry likely told Jbot to get rid of ROR and get it done before the bonus was to paid. Under those circumstances he did very well in the end.

In light of this article, I guess we need to revisit the JBot ROR trade again. JBot successfully traded ROR for Thompson, a 1st (Johnson) and a 2nd, and saved Terry $8 mill as required. Thompson is a star and Johnson is our top D prospect. I guess he did ok after all.

Let's say for argument's sake that Minn wins the Frozen Four and the Winnipeg Ice wins the Memorial Cup. Those are two really talented teams The Gophers have Cooley, Snuggerud, Chesley, Faber, Johnson, Knies, and LaCombe who are all 1st and 2nd round picks, plus 7 more drafted players. The Ice have Savoie, Connor Geekie, Benson, Lambos, Ostapchuk as 1st and 2nd rd draftees, plus a couple of other drafted players. I think it's would be a very interesting series, but I agree the Gophers would probably prevail.

Where can we buy that jacket?

There is something I'd like to see. The NCAA Champs play the Memorial Cup Winner in a 5 game series. Birth.

I agree. Similar age group between college and the AHL except for the few vets in the A. How many college kids step directly into the NHL each year? 1 or 2 maybe?

How about this? Would the 2023 NCAA Frozen Four Champion beat the 2023 Columbus Blue Jackets or Sharks or Blackhawks? As to the original thread, if you magically transported the 1983 NHL All-stars to 2023 and gave them modern sticks and skates even without additional training, they'd destroy the college kids. the 1983 game featured Peter Stastny, Ray Bourque, Wayne Gretzky, Paul Coffey, Jari Kurri, Bossy, Trottier, Messier, Doug Wilson, Mark Howe, Denis Potvin, Marcel Dionne, and even my friend Dino Ciccarelli. The college kids would never even get the puck out of their zone until it was in the back of the net.

That's why it's an impossible question. Are we age-reducing Mike Bossy but making him play on old skates and with a wooden stick against today's college kids? Is that how conducting this comparison? How does that make any sense?

This is an impossible question. If you modernized the NHLers they'd destroy the college kids and if the college kids played a bunch of 60 to 70 year old men, the old guys would be destroyed. To put the 1980's all-stars as age appropriate with the college kids but not update their equipment and training seems silly imho.

I forgot Johnson in my calculation. The proper number is now 7.137.

You have some proxies to see how the 1980's or early 90's players might look today through their sons. Mike Foligno was a rugged but skilled forward who put up 60-80 points annually. His boys, one got more of the scoring and one got the rugged, but both have had nice NHL careers. The Tkachuks, the Nylanders, and the Stastnys are other examples. Some better and some worse than their dads, but some really good players. Ultimately, given modern training and equipment, especially the sticks, the 80's all-stars would dominate the college kids.

I wrote on the bottom of my previous post that I think players listed 1-7 will all play in the NHL. Kulich, Johnson, and Savoie could all be in Buffalo next year, but my guess is all 3 need at least one more year. Levi likely needs at last 1-2 years in the A, but given our terrible goalie situation he may play earlier than expected. Nadeau heads to Rochester next year so we’ll get a better feel for his progress there, but his around the net game is much needed in Buffalo long term. Rosen will likely make the NHL but will probably be traded due to our crowded and young forward group. I don’t see him with nearly the upside of his fellow top forwards. He’ll likely need two more AHL seasons before he see an NHL ice. Östlund looks like a playmaker we need. He just needs to get stronger. He is probably 2plus years away. From outside the top 7 on my list, I think Neuchev is a very intriguing prospect, but hard to evaluate until you see him in Rochester. I thought Kisakov adjusted well and I think Neuchev has more upside. I think Novikov has a real shot as a younger version of Lyubushkin if he ever leaves Russia. Some of the dark horse candidates are Komarov and Richard. Komarov has really stepped up his offense this season, is already 6’3” and plays a good two way game for the Q. We’ll know more about his skating and in zone work when he gets to Rochester. Richard is off to college and if his scoring continues there we might have a late round gem to follow.

I like Neuchev as well. He is currently 8th on my board behind 5 at rd picks, Levi and Nadeau, who is tearing up the Q. However, a word of caution, all Russian players have a huge question mark on them until they can get out of Russian. When does KA put the Levi arrival clock on the Sabres website? Plenty of time to get PT in Rochester for the season if he gets signed asap.

Mike Foligno and to a certain extent his son Marcus Foligno. Did you know that Mike finished his career with the Panthers? That seems so wrong.

There goes are chance at Bedard. Geez!

If KO returns, how do you strip him of the Captaincy?

Tom remembers it so well because he was playing in the WHA at that time. That team also had a 22 goal scorer that season who was promptly traded away after scoring 24 the next season.

What if Anderson was 10 years younger? Tuch was great, except he missed two golden chances for the hattie to put the game away.

According to the % published recently and linked to in the NHL Draft thread we should produce 6.86 players from our current pipeline. That makes sense since the pool has 4 1st rd picks and 3 second rd picks in the current pipeline. Interestingly, given the number of players in the pipeline drafted from rounds 3-7, we should have 3 NHLers from that group, but I only project Levi and Nadeau as NHLers.