klos1963
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Who has the best goaltending right now? St Louis? No real shutdown goalie playing right now.
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2 hours ago, nfreeman said:
Or maybe it’s simply unable to overcome insurmountable obstacles in the form of more attractive alternatives.
Yep, Buffalo is not an attractive destination right now. It's not horrible, but certainly not one people would have as a preference.
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17 minutes ago, Billznut said:
Well it is being reported he was NOT given an offer by Buffalo. He has one from LA. Just in case you’re trying to dispute that also.
? Been saying it for over a week now. You have to think if they go with experience, AV has a very real shot considering the closeness he and Jbot will share with team Canada. If they choose to go with someone new, I’d expect Taylor to be the guy.
Are you certain he has an offer from LA,? just read on TSN Pierre LeBrun says he's heading to LA for his interview. Can't imagine the offer precedes the interview.
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10 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Oh, like Dan Bylsma? Pretty sure he had tons of experience.
Different players or same players at different stages of development. Different coaches too. Obviously.
Not every situation is the same, not every coach is either.
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49 minutes ago, Pimlach said:
sure salary is a major issue. You said cost of living and taxes are an issue. I think that when your talking about $4M to $5M per year you can focus on other things, such as do I really want to work for GM/ Owner. Taxes in Erie County versus So Cal?
Of course, his wide can say I want a house on the beach facinf the Pacific Ocean and that is that.
My guess is that the Sabres offered more money, plus enticing him with Eichel and Dahlin. Signing Skinner would probably help his decision too. He's probably weighing those pros with the cons of having no real goaltender vs LA with Quick and just moving cross country is a big deal. Say what you want about 'the seasons' in Buffalo, but the weekend forecast for mid April of 40 and rain probably won't thrill Mrs McLellan.
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13 minutes ago, Die Hard said:
Yes, that’s a possibility. But if I’m interviewing MY GUY, and he needs time to think about it or convince himself to take the job - or weighing it against another job — then he NEVER should have been my guy.
Quenneville outright said NO. Perfect! Thank you! They reached out to gauge interest BEFORE they fired Housley. Why didn’t they do that for McLellan (he was unemployed too!)? At this point, it shouldn’t be a matter if he’s interested or not. It should just be a matter of putting pen to paper.
If reporters are to be believed.... it’s almost as if Botterill has begun his coaching search on Tuesday after firing Housley. That would be absolutely ridiculous, if so.
It's a big decision. He's been on the west coast for over 10 years and a move to Buffalo from California might not be an easy call for him, despite the contract offer. This doesn't strike me as an issue, especially with his son being involved in the Frozen 4 this weekend. It's a big weekend for his family, he has no reason to hurry. He will have a job very soon.
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15 minutes ago, Doohickie said:
He could be considering the increase Buffalo has offered wondering if it's too good to be true, and wants to get the lay of the land before seriously considering it.
Would seem to be a wise thing to do.
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1 hour ago, Die Hard said:
If McCellean was his guy.... a decision that should have been made a while ago - for instance, media reports that he had already contacted Quenneville earlier in the year - than that contract should have been offered immediately after Housley was fired. Because the parameters would have already been discussed.... and he should have already known if he was on board.
Look, he visited with the Sabres DURING this week right? Even during his son’s tournament. He just needed to put a pen to paper. *If* he was the guy. Botterill could still give him the week off ?
Look, I’m not upset. I’m not even a fan of McLellan. However, if McClellan is Botterill’s guy.... this is NOT a good look.
However, Botterill is very discreet. So I wouldn’t be so sure that he is....and that it’s more likely he’s waiting for a team to get knocked out. If that’s the case, I’m fine with it all.
We’ll find it either way... by his hire.
But if he’s ONLY still at a point in his process where he’s vetting candidates..... that’s very disconcerting.
Did you ever think that McLellan hasn't made up his mind yet? That negotiations are still ongoing? It's not that farfetched a thought.
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26 minutes ago, Skibum said:
Everything looks like it's moving in the right direction, until they actually play the games.
The Pegulas seem to be doing a great job with the Bills, so I believe they can do it. I don't really think the Sabres woes are are their fault.
Anyway, what other choice do we have? Trump?
The Bills are showing signs of stability, a foundation for a solid team and sound football management. I wouldn't say the Pegula's are doing a great job, but they appear headed in the right direction. This season is important, the team needs to challenge for a playoff spot.
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17 minutes ago, nfreeman said:
We have no idea whether or not TP can move the team. None of us has ever seen the contract. We also have no idea whether TG "insisted" on a no-movement clause (assuming it exists, and doesn't expire or have other loopholes) or whether TP agreed to it when it was brought up because he wants to keep the team there anyway.
Regarding the tank -- do you think it was TP's idea, or was he following his GM's recommendation? I suspect it's the latter, which, if correct, would argue against the "meddling" theory.
Of course he was happy they scored. It was a thrilling moment. He'd have had to have been dead not to react. That doesn't mean he didn't care much more about the Benjamins than about the wins. Every single action he took as owner was consistent with his public statements that it was critical that the team not lose money on a current basis -- i.e. he was openly, and repeatedly, not interested in funding operating losses.
So your willingness to fire him isn't based on results? It's based on your perceptions of "meddling" -- including the unforgivable sin of speaking regularly with his GM (like at least 90% of other NHL owners)?
Do you not believe that hiring Howie and firing Howie were JB's decisions?
Well, we don't know what was in his heart, but we do know that he didn't step in and buy the team until the price dropped to a ridiculously low number, which included the city forgiving something like $25MM in loans. We also know that he sold the team a few years later for 3x what he paid for it.
Just read an old article about the sale to Pegula. TG turned down an offer that was $70M more than what Pegula's offered , because the other buyer was going to move the team. Under terms of the deal, Pegula is not allowed to move the team, not that he would. http://www.espn.com/nhl/news/story?id=6087856
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7 minutes ago, nfreeman said:
We have no idea whether or not TP can move the team. None of us has ever seen the contract. We also have no idea whether TG "insisted" on a no-movement clause (assuming it exists, and doesn't expire or have other loopholes) or whether TP agreed to it when it was brought up because he wants to keep the team there anyway.
Regarding the tank -- do you think it was TP's idea, or was he following his GM's recommendation? I suspect it's the latter, which, if correct, would argue against the "meddling" theory.
Of course he was happy they scored. It was a thrilling moment. He'd have had to have been dead not to react. That doesn't mean he didn't care much more about the Benjamins than about the wins. Every single action he took as owner was consistent with his public statements that it was critical that the team not lose money on a current basis -- i.e. he was openly, and repeatedly, not interested in funding operating losses.
So your willingness to fire him isn't based on results? It's based on your perceptions of "meddling" -- including the unforgivable sin of speaking regularly with his GM (like at least 90% of other NHL owners)?
Do you not believe that hiring Howie and firing Howie were JB's decisions?
Well, we don't know what was in his heart, but we do know that he didn't step in and buy the team until the price dropped to a ridiculously low number, which included the city forgiving something like $25MM in loans. We also know that he sold the team a few years later for 3x what he paid for it.
I believe this was from the spoken word, not from his heart. But a long time ago. Yes he got a sweetheart deal from the league, the NHL didn't not want to run the team anymore. He wansn't trying to sell the team, but was made an offer he couldn't turn down. I think TG goes down as a pretty respectable owner that helped stabilize the franchise and had some exciting moments on the ice.
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42 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:
Offer him Matthews contract and he likely does. Better taxes too
Would you pay Marner more than Eichel? Not asking if he's worth it, but how would that go over. More money plus losing draft picks.
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11 hours ago, Tondas said:
JBOT: "Kyle, you can either allow us to interview Keefe, or you can deal with our offer sheet for Marner. Your choice."
Of course for this to be effective, Marner would have to sign the offer sheet. Doubt that would happen.
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17 hours ago, SDS said:
I want to shoot myself in the face.
Shoot the messenger instead. Save us all from him.
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2 hours ago, nfreeman said:
Well, by assuming that you can replace him with another wealthy and committed owner (which were not assumed in the OP, by the way) you’ve effectively assumed away the issue.
For me, it’s not just that he’s kept the teams in Buffalo. It’s that he’s thrown money at them in a way that no Buffalo owner ever has and no one else is likely to do ever again as it is an economically irrational move. Not to mention pouring money into developing downtown Buffalo (they weren’t exactly lining up to do that either), not extorting a bunch of money out of the city and generally being a fundamentally decent guy.
I understand the dissatisfaction with with the results. I do think though that evaluation of owners requires a much longer horizon than evaluation of coaches or players. I think all of his hiring decisions have made sense on paper, and all arose out of a desire to improve the team.
The biggest reason the Sabres are where they are was the idiotic decision to tank for Eichel, which at least half, and probably more, of the fan base and commentariat supported.
My point is that it’s not like he’s been hiring his cousin who got laid off at the gas station to be the GM or his favorite waitress at the diner to be the coach (although I guess he did marry her and then make her team president, so...)
Your 2nd paragraph is fair. I don’t agree with the first paragraph at all. TG did not give a crap about winning — the Sabres were purely an investment opportunity for him, which he cashed out of as soon as he had a good bid. Rigas didn’t spend any money on the team — the Peca holdout, which was over a few hundred thousand, effectively torpedoed the Hasek era. And TP IMHO absolutely cares about winning — that’s why he fired DR/RR and TM/DDB — because those groups let things fall apart.
I don't believe this is true. From what i recall, he purchased the team to get them out of limbo and make certain they stayed in Buffalo. He was interested in winning, but was also very concerned with the bottom line and those 2 thoughts often conflict. It was a good thing that he purchased the team and they had great success under him, it's probably also a good thing that he sold the team, because I don't feel he was the type of owner a sports franchise needs for long term success.
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16 minutes ago, Zamboni said:
Besides the Knox brothers, Terry has been the best owner in the history of this franchise.
Way better than John “jailbird” Rigas
Much better than Tom “penny pincher” Golisano
no, I wouldn’t fire him
We have had practically no success at all under Pegula, what makes you rank him above Rigas and Golisano?- quite a bit of playoff success under those 2.
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30 minutes ago, sweetlou said:
Thanks for the mention, I guess my reputation proceeds me...
My take if we win the first overall pick is go to Vancouver and offer the first and Sobotka. They could have the Hughes brothers be a replacement for the Sedan twins.
I would want Horvat, Virtanen and Vancouver's first in return.
Sobotka is a cap dump on a team that has space in order to get the first overall pick. Vancouver has Petterson that can slide into the first line center and have Hughes be the #2 center.
This gives the Sabres their #2 center right away and would still get a high end pick.
Virtanen gives the Sabres the pesky 3rd line RW who can play physical and score.
Sobotka should seal the deal.
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8 minutes ago, Doohickie said:
I watched some highlights and was shocked at how young he looks.
In my son's locker room at hockey last night, a kid looked exactly like Hughes, I almost said something to him. I think he was in the 12U group,
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1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:
no
i know, i was hoping his post was a joke but hard to tell these days.
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57 minutes ago, IKnowPhysics said:
Also, we should win the lottery, then trade down for like three 1sts in the 4-8 range.
Is there a team that has 3 firsts in the 4-8 range?
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1 hour ago, SDS said:
I’m not sure what percentage of readers here have subscriptions to the Athletic.
it's worth it. Always a few articles of interest every day.
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18 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:
Don't like it.
See no way a guy who couldn't get it done with McDavid and Draisaitl will get it done with Jack and Sam.
Always thought San Jose had a roster that underachieved under him as well. A lot of early playoff exits despite a solid line up.
I'm going to hope this rumor is just him using us to increase his L.A. pay.
Made the conference finals twice in San Jose. That's not underachieving. It's not winning the cup, but not a failure either.
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6 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said:
I'm pretty sure we are getting Babcocked again to raise the price so no worries. I would not be nearly as upset on this one though.....
But didn't Pegula say no salary cap on coaches too? All we need is an owner with deep pockets...
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56 minutes ago, Skibum said:
I don't have a candidate in mind, but I would prefer a young up-and-comer to an old re-tread.
just curious, is any veteran coach considered a re-tread? Not trying to be a wise ass.
2 minutes ago, Radar said:I'm thinking the opposite. Young GM, young players we need more experience not less. Having said that it will be whoever Botterill thinks team needs.
Hard to argue with that.
Updated Todd McLellan OUT of the Running Sabres HC Position
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I don't know enough about LA to argue, but they do have quality goaltending , which helps a lot. Just because the Sabres don't know how to build a winning team doesn't mean LA is in the same boat.
Hopefully we can get there someday.