Thorny
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21 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
lol, I love the sudden bad mouthing of Peterka. I guess it’s human nature.
All this kid did was work hard and improve every year he was in the organization.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wormtongue Adams spread the rumor JJP wanted out so he’d have an excuse not to pay him.
Remember this is the genius GM who gave out long term deals one year wonders Cozens, Samuelsson, UPL and Power and didn’t give deals to players who earned new deals like Ullmark, Reinhart, Mitts and Peterka.
The only brightside of this deal is that we have a top 4 RHD. The fact it’s 3-4 years too late to save this sinking ship is another issue. Can’t wait to see what his new deal will be when he gets traded because his contract demands will be to much for the incompetent Adams.
Someone else said it finally lol
I can’t decide whether it’s more embarrassing or just hilarious. Like ordinarily I’d say embarrassing but like…the turn on him in real time is so shockingly brazen and barren and obvious it’s like..damn. I couldn’t even make my meme work when I said “within 24 hours we’ll love the deal”
Nope - Peterka is a bad apple within LESS than 24 hours. No attempt to hide it.
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22 minutes ago, Believer said:
Wouldn’t surprise me.
Dahlin must be sick of losing and losers, no matter how talented.
If the 23 yr old 4 yr vet Peterka wasn’t buying into the system and didn’t want to be a Sabre, I would like to believe the 25 yr old 7 yr vet and team Captain Dahlin would have told him goodbye and good luck after asking KA to trade him. Dahlin hasn't worn the C even a year yet. He will grow into the role and get more vocal, my bet.
Not an Adams fan, but agree with him 100%. If a player doesn’t want to be in Buffalo, move him. Think Adams made the right decision about JJP.
The Sabres need to build a roster of players who want to be here, who care about each other, play a hard game standing up for each other, and play with a passion for winning.
Whether it’s hockey or ping pong in the locker room.
The Passion for Winning Gene.
Hasn’t gotten the attention from our scouting, analytics, and front office it requires to build a Panthers-like culture, imo. Don’t believe I’ve ever heard Adams emphasize it.
Winning your shift, winning a puck battle on the boards, winning every game. A GM, Coach, or Player either has it or doesn’t.
We should definitely run with this entirely made up narrative
Dahlin kicked him out, Peterka is a bad apple, Adams was right
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15 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
I think that's fair.
I guess the real heart of the question is, is Buffalo better with this Peterka trade than if they just kept Peterka. I'm not sure because part of me thinks Peterka isn't what we need but part also thinks we didn't get enough. In the end, I might bet well be wrong, in fact it's probably more likely the Sabres are worse off right now than with Peterka. But there's still this part of me that thinks they're better.
That non-certainty of it is a good take
I hate the deal and I haven’t once said it can’t work or that these players won’t be good. It’s, for me, simply the principle. I know the deal was limited by $ concerns, I know the priority when making the deal wasn’t fully “winning”. The sabres being bad for this long don’t owe us winning. But they owe us doing their best to maximize winning, when they do or don’t make transactions.
It’s as simple as that, for me. My stance is the sabres crest and their fans deserve a no stone unturned approach - I believe expecting nothing less on each and every move is very reasonable
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3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Yea, that's pretty accurate. This thread asked for a hard decision and I decided to lean yes and answer yes. This trade could very very easily blow up in buffalo's face. I wanted the sure fire win, hence Robertson. So I'm both disappointed and still ok with the return. Yes, I recognize the juxtaposition of it.
I suppose I’d understand the distinction more if a trade was strictly necessary - was just struggling with the idea the option of making the deal could be construed as good when the option to keep what we’ve deemed as better remains viable
I do think there’s some trickiness in the poll options as they aren’t equal from centre - “hate” is further one way than “good”
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7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Yes. You asked if I wanted more in a trade. I do.
Now this asks if I like the trade.
It's 2 different questions.
But then don’t trade him - you reiterated multiple times leading up to today “we simply don’t have to trade him”. And then said you would not do it for less than Robertson
so we did it for less than Robertson, and we didn’t have to do it - those are your stated suppositions. We did the trade for less than you said you’d be willing to, but are saying it’s a good trade when you specifically said it’s less value than you’d be willing to do the trade for
Correct? You would have said no to the deal, but you like the deal for our team
cause, it’s not “well I want more but I do like it” - at least I don’t see how a deal you’ve stated you wouldn’t make falls under the category of a trade you like when there’s no requirement to make the deal
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3 minutes ago, elijah said:
People heard the buzz names all offseason from the media and the rumors, names and picks surrounding Peterka and instantly reacted negatively because these weren’t familiar names
You subtracted a great offensive player (a surplus on this team) who severely lacked defense (the main issue on this team) and added two guys that play responsible defense, most significantly finally adding a Power partner that we’ve needed for years. The value is probably a little lacking in what we were expecting, but the team got better.
Consider me a fan of the trade
So true. When you put it that way- I was just too stupid to get it. These guys are always one step ahead, admittedly
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37 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Hmm... I'll lean yes.
You told me you’d redo it if given the option no more than a couple hours ago haha
So you’d redo the trade, wipe it from the record, but consider it, right now, a trade you like. Do I have that right?
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If you ran this poll yesterday afternoon and asked if you’d be ok with that return how do we think the poll results read differently right now?
be honest
Consensus good deal? Like the poll says right now? Right now the poll shows overwhelming win for Adams.
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38 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
I think there is a curve with most Sabres transactions. Big time negative reactions out of the box, then once folks analyze what happened, it calms down. But I do recall a lot of "WTF are the Sabres doing" right off on social media over trading Savoie.
It’s true. The more time passes the more the sabres are always revealed to have been in the right. They just have to calm down and analyze what actually happened. The results always speak well - most of the time the fans are just too stupid to realize our GM *has* assembled another team capable of amounting to 78 points and there’s nothing to worry about
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1 minute ago, COSabreFan said:
Must have been bad behind the scenes to trade one of your top line wingers for a 3rd line defenseman and 4th line forward from a expansion team.
I hope JJ knows about the drinking scene in state of Utah.
Adams didn’t thank him in his release either lol do they hate the guy?
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10 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:
Idk what Harrington is smoking. Most of us liked the trade.
Like I get I am exaggerating in that plenty were questioning it, but a TON liked it and a lot of those people REALLY liked it. I hate this weird default that all the fans that are unhappy with the team are disingenuous losers who are just pretending to be mad for clout. Why would I/we praise the Savoie trade then? We weren’t hesitant to praise Adams when we THOUGHT he was doing something in the name of winning - why does the argument exist we’d be unhappy still if we actually did win? It’s nonsensical and I just proved it
He and others just want to see the fans as an irrationally angry monolith that has no right to be angry cause they couldn’t do better (than professionals) anyway and they are just lying about wanting the base minimum success, and complain just to complain, who complain just because “it makes sense to assume the worst with the sabres” as I SO often see mentioned here by a lot of people
no - we aren’t assuming the worst, the transactions and practices have certain patterns we pick up on
a pick for player broke trend - praise
if we don’t trade Byram for an underutilized shoot first forward with upside I’ll be happy
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3 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:
There were a ton of whispers about the dressing room having guys with bad attitudes not focused on the right things. I think Cozens and JJ were two main culprits that Lindy weeded out. Interesting to see who else moves. I think Quinn might be on the outs too.
What is in the water in Buffalo!
Kids running wild down there
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6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
We need production. Advanced metrics don't count if a guy can't hit a wrister in an open net. I want a top 6 with a proven track record of 50-60 points with 20 or more goals in the NHL at least 2 of the last 3 seasons. Preferably at Center at least 6'2 and over 185 lbs. That or a goalie that can start 50 or more games with a GAA under 2.85 in 3 of last 4 years and at least a .918 save percentage lol Yes, I'm making up stats on the spot with no research but it's what I define as a good player.
It will be a guy with the upside to do that and it will be a shoot first player
30-30 potential
25-20 current
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One thing I can't stand is how revisionist some media members are. “Well you hated the Savoie trade so shut up” isn’t a good argument.
^99/100 sabres fans
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Where are we scheduled to take the steal of the draft again? What’s our number?
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Thompson
Kulich
Tuch
Benson
Norris
Quinn
a ridiculously obscene amount of talent? I’ll hang up and listen
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1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:
Ick. I hope not.
I think he has strong underlyings tbh.
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Just now, The Jokeman said:
Meh Jim Kelly was a saint and he was a drunken fool too but I know winning the biggest perfume in sports.
It’s just stories to make ourselves feel better. It’ll soon be put out that he as a drunk too, if history is any indication
Bad apple, had to go
adams is building a culure, here
He feels bad for sabres fans
Just now, irregularly irregular said:Your honor, the Prosecution presents as evidence another grievous example of Kevyn Adams being totally worthless as the general manager of a NHL franchise.
If this statement from Friedman is true, he is inept beyond compare. No wonder the Sabres are in the position that they are. Armstrong should be arrested for child abuse. It's tragic and comical to everyone who isn't a fan of the Sabres.
The auto dealers in town must love it when he goes shopping for a new car for the little lady.
Sustained
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Just now, JoeSchmoe said:
Don't shoot the messenger! I'm just repeating what Rivet said.
He said the probably doesn’t bode well bit?
Or was that you
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1 minute ago, JoeSchmoe said:
Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere but Craig Rivet was on After the Whistle saying "JJ Peterka was more concerned about serving drinks being a bar at 4 o'clock in the morning". Said off the ice he was making poor decisions.
Probably doesn't bode well on this team with most of the core either being familymen (Tage, Tuch, Power) or just hyper focused on hockey (Dahlin).
I like that we always have to trash the players personally on the way out lmao
Just now, The Jokeman said:He's a 23 year old kid for cripes sakes. I mean what were you doing at that age?
Youngest team in hockey! But…act like you are old and act like you don’t care about winning
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1 minute ago, triumph_communes said:
Don’t understand the bitching when you look at that terrible terrible contract Peterka signed
we just offloaded Mittelstadt, cozens; and now Peterka either a year in or just before the stupid contracts set in
What a metric for success lol
imagine telling someone this when we missed by one point 2 years ago
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All feels pointless without @PASabreFan’s take
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Every player we add looks like this now
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1 minute ago, DarthEbriate said:
Ekblad and Hedman got paired with veteran savvy players when they were young players. This is common practice. Myers got Tallinder (for only one season).
When Schaefer goes to the Islanders this season, he's going to skate with Pulock (30 RHD) or Mayfield (32 RHD) both of whom are on long-term contracts. He's going to be able to learn from them for years before he's expected to just carry a pairing on his own. The Isles aren't going to trade those two guys away and pair him with Jesse Pulkinen in their top-4 and say, "have fun."
We only traded Riley Boychuk for Tallinder
Sabres Trade JJ Peterka to Utah for Defenseman Michael Kesselring and Forward Josh Doan
in The Aud Club
Posted · Edited by Thorny
We are at addition by subtraction within 24 hours. The fanbase is broken
“Peterka had to go”