Thorny
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7 minutes ago, krakensabr56390 said:
I’m not sure why you get so out of shape when someone disagrees with you? I actually am very frustrated by the Sabres and all of their failures the last 14 years… Is there a rule against presenting intelligently thought out arguments on this message Board?
If I recall, you actually insulted me and said that I should post more than 20 times before putting a stronger opinion out there… So I guess do you want me to post more or do you just want to throw out insults to other posters or disagree with you?
people who happen to like a trade or entitled to their opinions, whether they’re in line with yours or not… It doesn’t mean that we work for the team, which just means that maybe we have a different opinion.
I don’t. I discuss with everyone. Rightly or wrongly I’ve been engaging with many many takes pro-trade and none of them have I called a burner but you. Never in my long years defending Eichel. I am well-familiar with being on my own. It’s not a reactive reaction on my part. I just have no interest in discussing with a plant, I’m sorry
I don’t know you, I’m not trying to put you down. I just find the idea of team plants to sway the narrative very disingenuous not to mention incredibly lazy
but that’s not on you - you are on assignment.
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1 minute ago, Brawndo said:
If it’s gets to 7/1, a short term (1-2 years) extension become more and more likely
Wouldn’t be a bad move given the corner we’ve boxed ourselves into. Forwards will be unsalvageable if we can’t deal Byram for a legit top 6 dude so might as well double down on D and try to defend our way to the playoffs. Issue for me there is goaltending - could be a huge handcuff when we can’t outscore our issues
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1 minute ago, krakensabr56390 said:
Its clear that kesselring is going to be a top 4 D on this team - and a lot of smart analytics folks think that he is going to be very good in that role and already has been good in that role. I’m not sure how that qualifies as a depth piece? We’ve been missing a partner for power for like three years and it’s the number one need on the team.
doan will be better than you think and is a very young good third liner… I guess you could argue that more in the depth range but when I think of depth, I think of a fourth liner or an extra and not a person who is going to play 15 to 20 minutes a game and likely a 20/20 hard to play against winger
what’s the last top 4 rhd traded that people argued was a “ depth player” - these are primo depth pieces
You are literally a sabres employee dude
Like I don’t just throw these things out there - I’m not trying to insult you/throw that out as shade
i am aware. No interest
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Kevin (smartie pants) of sabres twitter mentioned something I didn’t think of: Byram’s market shrinking over night likely the result of teams seeing the perceived low-ball offers we took in our last 2 trades - teams can see we sell for objectively less value than worth because of $ prioritization
Thankfully we know better. And thankful we don’t need a good return for Byram. Can just keep him, pay him, and I’m sure Kulich and Norris and co can hold down what I’m given to understand is an elite offence
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2 minutes ago, Mr Peabody said:
I imagine TP’s daughter is getting an earful of “you need a better face to the franchise” at the governors meeting. This could justify kicking KA up to a behind the scenes role (POHO?) and promoting Jarmo to GM and new face to the public. A strong off season could facilitate that.
Adams is going to be the GM for the foreseeable, for me likely liveable future
I mean he’s earned it
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2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:
Great, except Peterka has never been a point per game winger. Not over his career (0.63), not over last season (0.88), not the season before (0.61). The closest he got in one season was last year's 0.88, but if he plays 82 games over an 82 game season that still causes him to come up 10 short.
Now, will he BECOME a point per game winger on Utah? Maybe, Maybe not. But on the Sabres, he isn't, and never has been one.
Sorry, .88 at 23. Was only using “point a game” because it was often the term of choice leading into the deal.
70+ points. Call it the “Josh Norris” points per game pace
Just now, CTJoe said:And I don't think he'll be playing with a better talent in Utah than Tage?? Combine that with historically high 14% shooting percentage and.......
And he’s actually not very good. Didn’t I say it already? Masterclass
You should post about these things before! Not just after the fact depending on the result. People may learn from you
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1 minute ago, JP51 said:
Then our views totally coincide... because a blockbuster with a major player is probably a heavy lift... we need more than one player.. and more than one player is needed to turn this ship... consistent positive steps forward to improvement is the only way to establish credibility... you cannot fake time... nor consistency... getting Ekblad or Mariner doesnt magically rescue all that is wrong... So, I mean if a deal is there big time to help do it... but your problems are not solved with one pen stroke... it took a long time to get into this mess its gonna take effort to get out.
This is why i don’t really agree with the Adams hot seat stuff. He’s probably been allotted a mere half the amount of time he needs to right this
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9 minutes ago, irregularly irregular said:
Isn't that almost the exact definition of Stockholm Syndrome?
It would certainly be, that’s a great catch. But here’s what you’ve missed: last I checked the sabres have improved year over year under Adams tenure
you can correct me on that if I am mistaken
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Just now, CTJoe said:
Time will tell. A day gave time to research the two new guys and realize that the "off the ice" Peterka maybe wasn't as good as the "on the ice" Peterka. Tage certainly gave the thumbs up to the guys to Adams - Character sometimes trumps talent.
Peterka wanted out. Given that fact pretty much any return is a +, not sure how we can construe it any other way. In that sense the return is found money.
when you are trying to recover from the chasm a guy like Botterill left us in, it takes time. Can’t remember who the poster was but someone mentioned when you look at teams like Florida etc it can sometimes take even as long as 10 years or so to rebuild that and get yourself out of that hole. Some players like Peterka who don’t have the maturity to wait are going to be to the casualty
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4 hours ago, Jorcus said:
Marty Biron had commented a few times that if Peterka were to hold out during camp or into the season that it would have been bad for this team who is needs to get off to a good start. The Sabres were in no position to go though that this year so away he goes. We often talk about extending players with contracts that did not work out. I remember Adams talking about extensions last summer but nothing happened. Peterka because of his 2nd round contract was the lowest paid player on the team. We certainly could have signed him for what he left for so it's safe to say he really did not want to be here. It seems as if there were a lot of discussions so this trade was not a knee jerk reaction trade. I think a lot of the other players thrown around were probably Peterka plus something or did not fit into Adams plan for roster construction. He was a fun player to watch but if we win more games this year then we did the right thing.
Ah so Peterka was likely to hold out
That’s what I’ve heard too
1 hour ago, MISabresFan said:I wonder, if all these players saying, I don't want to be here, has anyone asked them why? What is the reason...
Nah
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13 hours ago, ... said:
Now that we've had some time to collect ourselves, is Sabrespace undervaluing big, RHD-defensemen who can put up a few points?
I find the argument (that big, RHD-defensemen who can put up a few points have more value) compelling. I mean, I am loath to give Adams credit, but, again, the argument is compelling.
We traded a point a game winger for depth pieces, the reaction is overwhelmingly positive, and you STILL think we are selling the return short? Masterclass; potentially
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15 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
Lol, so it’s all JJP’s fault that this team didn’t make the playoffs. Not the bad coaching, poor management, defensemen who can’t play defensemen or the crap goaltending. No it’s JJP’s fault because he was out for himself. I’m sorry, but that’s really funny.
Yes he did. He’s also only 23.
What a change a day makes. Today, arguing Peterka is a good player makes your opposition the entire board. Yesterday we wouldn’t deal him for less than a star.
What a world
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20 minutes ago, CTJoe said:
Jason Robertson is the guy we should be targeting. Dallas desperately wants to sign him but has cap issues. Unfortunately, they probably don't have a desperate need for LHD. In this case I would do Byram, #9 and basically any top prospect
As for UFA, why not keep Byram and play him with Dahlin (where he's quite good with) and sign either
Ehlers - I'd literally cry if we could get him
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Drouin
Peterka's metrics were bad with Tage and really really bad without tage. Byrams metrics are good with Dahlin, not good elsewhere. Of course, I could paly with Dahlin and my metrics would be pretty good
Peterka’s metrix
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4 minutes ago, Mr Peabody said:
I think this one has Lindy’s fingerprints all over it.
It’s funny cause at first most people said “well it depends on Byram return, there’s another part to this” but now word is that market is weak - thankfully as the poll illustrates the move is a home run even without the follow up - with a strong Byram trade for at least a bottom 6 forward I think we can already mark offseason down as an “A” and we haven’t even reached the draft yet…Adams’ forte 🙂
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Just now, Archie Lee said:
Well, I disagree with you that Byram is a poor player.
I forgot, Peterka‘S metrics mean he is bad, Byram’s don’t. Sabrespace
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In the running for most positive initial reactions to a sabres trade I’ve seen, overwhelmingly positive at nearly 2-1. Say what you want about Adams but the more time goes by the more his work is being greeted with praise
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4 hours ago, Archie Lee said:
I would be fine if they extended him and just stapled him to Dahlin. After yesterday, we would have our top-4 potentially nailed down for several years.
You would be fine that we extended a poor player after we said we could afford to trade Peterka cause the Byram trade will supplement the offence
Welcome, 1C Jash Norris
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4 hours ago, Brawndo said:
Friedman mentioned the Sabres feel the market for Byram is a little soft.
Lmao
Just lmao
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Blinding light brigade nearly all gone. They barely shone at all
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Just now, kas23 said:
I think we are being bluntly objective in what Kesselring and Doan are and who they are not. There’s no candy coating here. We have hopes though. But we never drafted them, saw them grow before us, only to be tossed away. There’s no overly emotional connection to them (yet).
So we are being objective now but weren’t about Peterka
got it
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1 minute ago, kas23 said:
We shouldn’t be looking at JP as a bad person. He can do as he likes and even decide whether to be a Sabre or not. That said, as fans, we really overvalue our players and choose to be blind to any shortcomings. He’s not a Sabre anymore, so some objectively has come back into view. He surely can score goals, but away from Thompson, his production really suffered. And he was a liability on defense. I feel better about him leaving than I did when Rhino left. He was an excellent player for us, especially in the final year. I’m not shocked he blew up.
So you are saying the objectivity comes back once the player leaves
what does that say about the things being said about the players we brought on?
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3 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:
To be fair, this is not exclusive to Buffalo.
We are at addition by subtraction within 24 hours. The fanbase is broken
“Peterka had to go”
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21 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:
lol, I love the sudden bad mouthing of Peterka. I guess it’s human nature.
All this kid did was work hard and improve every year he was in the organization.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wormtongue Adams spread the rumor JJP wanted out so he’d have an excuse not to pay him.
Remember this is the genius GM who gave out long term deals one year wonders Cozens, Samuelsson, UPL and Power and didn’t give deals to players who earned new deals like Ullmark, Reinhart, Mitts and Peterka.
The only brightside of this deal is that we have a top 4 RHD. The fact it’s 3-4 years too late to save this sinking ship is another issue. Can’t wait to see what his new deal will be when he gets traded because his contract demands will be to much for the incompetent Adams.
Someone else said it finally lol
I can’t decide whether it’s more embarrassing or just hilarious. Like ordinarily I’d say embarrassing but like…the turn on him in real time is so shockingly brazen and barren and obvious it’s like..damn. I couldn’t even make my meme work when I said “within 24 hours we’ll love the deal”
Nope - Peterka is a bad apple within LESS than 24 hours. No attempt to hide it.
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22 minutes ago, Believer said:
Wouldn’t surprise me.
Dahlin must be sick of losing and losers, no matter how talented.
If the 23 yr old 4 yr vet Peterka wasn’t buying into the system and didn’t want to be a Sabre, I would like to believe the 25 yr old 7 yr vet and team Captain Dahlin would have told him goodbye and good luck after asking KA to trade him. Dahlin hasn't worn the C even a year yet. He will grow into the role and get more vocal, my bet.
Not an Adams fan, but agree with him 100%. If a player doesn’t want to be in Buffalo, move him. Think Adams made the right decision about JJP.
The Sabres need to build a roster of players who want to be here, who care about each other, play a hard game standing up for each other, and play with a passion for winning.
Whether it’s hockey or ping pong in the locker room.
The Passion for Winning Gene.
Hasn’t gotten the attention from our scouting, analytics, and front office it requires to build a Panthers-like culture, imo. Don’t believe I’ve ever heard Adams emphasize it.
Winning your shift, winning a puck battle on the boards, winning every game. A GM, Coach, or Player either has it or doesn’t.
We should definitely run with this entirely made up narrative
Dahlin kicked him out, Peterka is a bad apple, Adams was right
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Sabres Trade JJ Peterka to Utah for Defenseman Michael Kesselring and Forward Josh Doan
in The Aud Club
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Cheers