Thorny
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At least it was a hockey trade
Baby steps
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2 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:
over saturation? Not sure what you mean by that.
The media here severely oversaturates the market with Canadian team content under the guise that folks support these teams for no other reason than their geographical location. It’s hard to explain if you are a buffalo citizen (if you are) because you aren’t exposed to that narrative. Imagine being bombarded with Rangers content because they are representing your great nation’s cup pursuit.
I feel like you wouldn’t give a shite and ultimately come to resent the narrative
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17 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:
Crushed ego. Could be fatal.
Just curious, but why?
Over saturation
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5 hours ago, Archie Lee said:
I could not disagree more. Post-pandemic, 90% of NHL fan-bases would be so lucky to have such a fraudulent team to root for.
Just looking at their roster and at who is producing for them night after night and it seems to me they have reached that point of critical mass where they have a high # of players who are either in, approaching, or just coming out of their prime performance years.
Once you get down to 8 NHL teams, the road is tough (this is not the NHL I grew up watching where 12/16 or 16/21 teams were in the playoffs).
Watching the Oilers and watching all the former Sabres who are in the playoffs, just reinforces how terribly the Sabres managed the post-tank years. It is really just the past couple of years that we should be a top 5-6 contender.
Dude I know they actually aren’t frauds
I dislike all Canadian teams and root against them. My post was just message board fodder.
They are PP merchants tho
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Oilers are *frauds*. Cannot score other than the power play and the officials are going out of their way to make it their personal mission to have them on the power play as much as possible today
Edit - and yet another. Functionally a power play goal as returning player had just stepped on
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23 minutes ago, Flashsabre said:
IF he became available and actually wanted to come here then you just bump Lindy upstairs where he will be in a couple years anyways.
No, you tell him, “No thanks. I’ll have a Minotaur.”
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30 minutes ago, inkman said:
I swear to god if this dude hits the open market and we saddled ourselves with coach of Christmas past, I’m going to have to leave the internet. This place, Twitter and any other god forsaken place will be unbearable.
I want this guy to hit the open market so the limitations of what a coach actually does can be exposed. Dude is the most overhyped asset in the NHL I all but guarantee it - bookmark this post
The concept of Rod Brindamour
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42 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:
Again, as with our conversation a couple of weeks ago, my response was not 'targeted' at you. It was meant to just join in the conversation, to let anyone interested in this conversation know just how far he has fallen from expectations (I know a couple of semi-casual baseball fans that remember 2021 and still are thinking he is producing at a top 10 player level). When I listen to 590 out of Toronto, there are still some callers, and even some 'hosts' who are waiting for him to return to 2021 form any day now and think that will turn the whole team around.
I don't follow baseball that much anymore, but I went to my first Jays game in exhibition stadium as a kid, and have followed them since, so I have a soft spot for the Jays...and I myself fell into the 'trap' (if that is what it is/was) that he would be a mvp level player year after year after year.
I just responded to your post as it was a way to 'join in' the conversation with some continuity to the topic, not to dispute anything you said. A lot of my posts are not to drive home a point...but rather I see a topic, I think to myself "he has dropped off in production, I wonder if its as bad as I think", then I do the research myself and If I find the results interesting, I simply post them to see if anyone else finds them as interesting as I do. (just as I do often when looking up stats about a Sabres player and posting them. Often its not to 'convince' someone else of something or to prove my point..but often to just put something out there in a statistical way that others may not have realized, just as I didn't realize until I did the research.)
My mistake and apologies
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Bit of an oxymoron but I’ll take it
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4 hours ago, SwampD said:
I know someone else mentioned this, but the home whiteout is just stupid when the away team is wearing white. So dumb.
It’s asinine lol. I mention it every chance I get
2 hours ago, nucci said:so you're saying either Preds or Canucks can win?
another reason the NHL needs to go back to home whites
The jets can choose
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5 hours ago, Doohickie said:
My condolences.
The contrast with my Sabres fandom actually allows the Jays to remain incredibly fresh. Making the playoffs is fairly satisfying in and of itself: that’s what these teams have taught me and my opinion thus informed.
Which actually fits on nicely with this bit from Harrington I liked that’s on the front page of the site right now:
'Ruff’s troops need to get into the postseason, take some five-game loss in Round 1 and then we can all get on to the process of aiming toward much longer hockey springs around here. And he’ll be a hero. You might argue that’s a pretty low standard to have and you’re right. But that’s simply the reality of where this organization is.'
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Lol Jets
That’s the 5th time among their 7 playoff berths where their exit consisted of losing 4 straight games
Suppose I can’t talk as a Sabres fan. Fun to see em lose, regardless
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3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:
In 2021, Vlad Guerrero Jr. was 22 years old, hit .311, 48 home runs, 123 runs, 111 rbi's, .400+ on base, .600+ slugging. Most thought he was only going to get better.
Since then his average went from .311 to .274, then .264, and so far .228 this year.
His slugging .601 to .480, then .461 and now .351 this year.
He is 'on pace' for 16 home runs, 59 rbi's this year.
The Jays have made the playoffs 3 times with him, not losing every single time (6 total losses) without a single win. Vlad Jr. is 3 for 21 in those playoff games (batting .136) with no home runs, 1 total RBI.
The team is not perfect. But Vlad Guerrero, his production dropping every year since 2021 and falling off a cliff this year is a large part of where they are vs where they EXPECTED to be.
Lol I’m a die hard Jays fan I know all of this already - but thank you for attempting to explain things to me as if I am 5
You are *literally* doing the “it’s all Tage Thompson!” thing again, but here haha. I do not care about this argument, it is not an interesting argument
And, I absolutely cannot stress this last part enough: *it is not relevant to what I am saying*
GM’s are allowed to do things. Your go-to argument is even more absurdly placed here as the signs with Vladdy have been there since leaving Dunedin. This isn’t a one year thing, and their approach here was particularly unusual b/c unlike the Sabres, the Jays usually care about having and meeting some level of expectations. Even had they gotten the exact Vladdy of last season, they be in dire need of help right now. Yes, it was obvious the team needed more help this year. It is not a surprise Vladdy didn’t bounce back to “form” yet. We may never see 2021 Vladdy again, truth be told. The idea is constructing a team in light of what you actually have - not what you were hoping it would be
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the “they were good but lost in the playoffs cause Vladdy shut it down” is the chef’s kiss portion of this. You are cherry picking stats as if it’s a theme. Check the stats of the other players in those games.
Most importantly: go look up “8-1 Jays, John Schneider pulls Kevin Gausman”
edit: for the record, the constant bashing of Vladdy online is annoying anyways. I think he can be and is a good player. I can live with that. I think he can and will get back to his production from last year, this year. If they continually expect greatness, when that’s proven to be dicey at best, that’s on them.
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17 minutes ago, dudacek said:
I know, I smiled as I wrote it.
But I figured this board would get the point, regardless of how they read it.
I’m sure they did. I just enjoy missing it intentionally
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11 minutes ago, SwampD said:
Jee, It's almost like that is how a hockey team is put together.
I thought all we needed was to amass elite talent. That's working well for the Leaves.
I mean overall roster construction has been by far the biggest issue we’ve had
We’ve yet to assemble a roster that’s reflected by a standings finish higher than 20th in 13 years
There is a chasm between the leafs and us. Yes, just assembling a deeper, more balanced group of players is worth a lot on its own
- unless someone is one of those “only the cup matters” guys and all other result is equal failure until you do… then ya sure there isn’t much that can bridge that conversational gap
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1 minute ago, SwampD said:
But the role he needs to play on his current team is completely different.
Exactly. As to Eichel in Vegas. The issue wasn’t the player not fitting, the issue was that we didn’t build a team where good players fit.
cause we didn’t have enough good players
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Just don’t pull another “Kevyn Adams”. Even sports teams close by are catching the stench:
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On 4/29/2024 at 5:07 PM, Pimlach said:
And Adams now has the exact same issue with Byram. We are paying Dahlin $11M, and Power got $8M after one season, and got Muel got $4.5M after 54 NHL games. How much is Byram going to get?
What sours me is that Mitts' agent says Adams never talked to them about a contract. Ok, fine if he is not in the plan. But he brings in Byram who is going to be looking to get paid and now he has a big hole to fill - sure he has some good prospects but are we going to do play 20 year old's for another year or two?
I doubt Lindy signed up for that. If he is going to fix things under his two year contract they are not going to go with rookie centers.
There was so much “room” for Casey on the roster it’s not even funny. Purely smoke. Purely talent evaluation. Trade being good or bad will purely be based on who’s the better player straight up
7 hours ago, dudacek said:I’m starting to think I’m the only person on here who thinks Byram was brought in because they wanted to add a long-term top-4 defenceman and they think he can be that guy.
And the vibe I’m getting is “they can’t be stupid enough to think ^^^ therefore it must be about contracts, or a prelude to another trade down the road.”
When the trade happened I called it a boom or bust depending on Byram’s ceiling, because he’s got more upside, but Mitts is better right now.
But now I’m starting to see it more as the move that defines Adams: if it fails, it will be the one that everyone points to when they are explaining why Adams had to be fired.
Sabre fans liked the player who was traded, they don’t think he’s going to be easy to replace, they don’t think the player acquired is a good fit, and they’re not sure even if he’s any good.
Then you’ve got that whole undercurrent of “we needed to get tougher and this didn’t do it” combined with the stronger undercurrent of “you told us to be patient and then you traded away a guy who was worth being patient for, only to tell us to be patient with the new guy.”
Sounds like a recipe for pitchforks.
The truth of the matter, if we cut to the chase and call a spade a spade, is they brought Byram in specifically to parter Dahlin. Everyone knows that’s what the deal was attempting to do. They weren’t ambiguous about it in their statements on the matter. They have a history of making transactions with this sort of limited mindset. The trade will likely be good if he’s that and not so good if he can’t. He’s supposed to be top pair left shot cause Dahlin can play the right.
Byram doesn’t play the right well. If we dealt the guy who was performing as our best C for a second pair left shot guy interchangeable with our other left shot #3s, I wouldn’t consider the deal good value. If he is going to be a second pair guy by talent exclusively it wasn’t too much to ask for a right shot to aid our balance.
If he’s far and away our best #3 and he’s blocked by an excellent top pair, sure, the deal would be fine regardless of handedness
it looks a little underwhelming currently. But these things are always subject to change
if Krebs starts next year as 3C, the trade was bad. Really really bad - I’ll put that out there
6 hours ago, SwampD said:Is it not?
I’m still on the fence about Byram. He’s still so young and I’m tired of waiting, but the Casey that is on Colorado right now was never going to be that Casey with the Sabres, just due to his place in the lineup, so I’m not against the trade. I just hope Bo turns into what we all hope he will be.
Wait, what? Casey had a better chance to find a role on the best offensive team in the league that he did on the Buffalo Sabres? Consider me skeptical. Maybe I’m misreading your point.
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On a tangent: It’s funny that the “this isn’t a video game” bullet point gets brought up most when people advocate for roster moves but in reality it would be most accurately employed when people suggest minimal roster movement. You don’t go to “edit lines” in real life and push “X” in 2 spots and boom your top 2 Cs are set for the next decade. We aren’t “set” at C. We aren’t close to set at C. Or F. Or anywhere on the roster. We have room for Casey.
We even have room for Ilya Kovalchuk
29 minutes ago, Doohickie said:I think keeping Casey would have helped Cozey's development. Casey could play second line and let Cozens play against lesser competition while he honed his game. Pay all three of 'em $7 million a year and let whoever's hotter play the top line, whoever's slumping can be 3C. Jost or Girgs or Krebs or Matt Murray could play 4C; it wouldn't matter with the spine led by Tage, Cozens and Mitts in whatever order.
A big plus we talked about with Tage and Cozens being locked up to reasonable deals is that we *could* afford to pay another centre. I feel like we are willingly mitigating that advantage here.
D is a different minefield: Dahlin is NOT underpaid. Power isn’t as much as the forwards, either.
16 minutes ago, SwampD said:That’s my point. He is the exact same player. He was always good on the boards and made plays to get the puck to guys. It’s just on Colorado, those guys are there to finish. They weren’t on the Sabres.
Jeeze, is sub context really that difficult.
Lmao I mean ya, sub context really can be that difficult when you are apparently attempting to make the point that he’s the exact same player by saying…precisely the opposite
6 hours ago, SwampD said:Is it not?
I’m still on the fence about Byram. He’s still so young and I’m tired of waiting, but the Casey that is on Colorado right now was never going to be that Casey with the Sabres, just due to his place in the lineup, so I’m not against the trade. I just hope Bo turns into what we all hope he will be.
So your point is muddled. It’s also inaccurate: if Casey “couldn’t be that guy” here cause we can’t surround him with competent finishers, that’s not a Casey problem that’s a GM problem. That’s a “Casey won’t be that guy here cause of the GM” not “Casey can’t be that guy here”
your argument is, “the GM isn’t good so by that prism I don’t mind dealing a guy he wasn’t going to do anything with anyways” haha
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On 4/29/2024 at 1:20 PM, dudacek said:
I think the basic disconnect here is that while everyone here thought the Sabres needed to add a top 4 defenceman, a large number of Sabrespacers don’t think that player is Byram.
Nobody says the Knights have too many of the same type of defencemen with Pietrangelo, Theodore and Hanifan. Good is good.
To me, it’s not the theory that’s the big question here, it’s whether or not Byram and Power can be as effective as Theodore and Hanifin.
These are guys expected to round into two-way players like Dahlin has. They aren’t Phil Housleys.
I do like how the Hall of Famer is the one with the apparent negative connotation lol
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For having arguably the 2 best skaters in the game the oilers sure are PP fiends. Brutal penalty call after none all game gets them on the board
the best days of the playoffs are when the Canadian teams lose
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Not over yet and I don’t want to jinx it, and I was wrong about Hellebuyck apparently (yeesh) but:
On 1/21/2024 at 2:59 PM, Thorny said:I just think this very easy extended stretch of games has also been a bit of a factor, too.
I’m not sold on them as a playoff threat at all until I see it, the whole league tightens up defensively so with their advantage on that front somewhat mitigated I’m not sure their offence will get it done at that time, but it’s certainly wide open. You have to give them credit for an outstanding season thus far.
Bowness needs some awards consideration
On 3/3/2024 at 6:55 PM, Thorny said:Jets are frauds
On 3/23/2024 at 2:13 PM, Thorny said:Also the Jets are frauds
It’s really their D AND offence that has let them down. They seem ill-equipped for playoff puck
Rod Brind’Amour signs extension with Carolina
in The Aud Club
Posted · Edited by Thorny
Rod Brindaless, is more. amirite?