Thorny

I don’t even think it’s some nefarious thing, liger is right they take on the mindset of the organization, but they more less imbibe it: the top-down refusal to measure results in the now becomes part of a fabric of their developing identity Some recognize it and ask out Don’t forget that Jack specifically said on record he asked to be dealt *because* Adams wanted to rebuild. We didn’t have to rebuild because Jack wanted out

Such an odd vibe. Not what I expected from the group at all honestly, and I’ve had my beefs obviously. So much we are hearing is just so weird. Tuch’s comments *during the season*/playoff push on a podcast that “we are young, we’ll eventually get there.” Why? Why throw the towel in verbally when you are still in it EDIT - just realized there’s a thread for this specific discussion already, my mistake

Big part of the reason season was so disappointing is again alluded to here by KO. The bit specifically about how they “knew” in *OCTOBER* things weren’t right. So if they knew so soon things weren’t right, and they knew the locker room was feeling entitled (KA’s press conference), how did it get to a situation it went south so fast? If it was imminently obvious that quickly, presumably it was discoverable or even obvious before the season started? Why did the GM allow the situation to exist, and the fester for so long? At this point the discussion on the failure of this season is sort of getting redundant, what matters now is the coming season: it’s just disheartening we keep getting forced to come back to the analysis cause we keep getting more hard-line confirmation they really were lost right out of the gate

Chara or Logan Stanley

It’s annoying when literally any of the teams left win

It’s because everything is happening according to a clear plan. Sounds funny, but if you think about it. People are weary of his plans so in an odd way a longer process for these things with less certainty would psychology reflect better Adams is deliberate, it’s been to a fault, we’ll see which way the cookie crumbles next year

There’s not much sense looking beyond this year anyways tbh. We are either in the playoffs and we wanna keep everyone, or we miss and Adams likely gets fired and we have no idea what happens with anyone

But we’ve got the succession plan all mapped out. We are a well run franchise.

Why would they have this already mapped out? They are assuming failure? Are they assuming success? If Ruff is good, wouldn’t you keep him? Did Ruff say he only wanted 2 years?

Bruins on the ropes

He’s hit the 2 coaches mark and he’s hitting 5 years this year. Especially cause you’d expect to fall on the below average side of things considering the severely below average performance, nonetheless we reach his likely endpoint if we miss this coming season

you know what they say about responsibility

I’m not arguing against you I’m arguing with you

Than the next closest ALL TIME

I’m of the opinion we undersell this stuff due to the nature of the news cycle and our media and the scroll culture and just an overload of content. We see a tweet that shows where the sabres sit in the record books and we “ha ha” but forget about the specifics cause “ya I know we suck I’ve heard it a million times.” they have the longest playoff drought of *all time*. Just think about it for a bit. No one has been that bad, ever. In centuries. Multitudes of teams. It’s us: we are it. Hyperbole cannot and need not apply, ever we are extraordinary Our longest all time drought is THIRTY PERCENT longer than the next closest

Is this post from 2019? What page are you on? Spoiler, the drought is still going. We left colossal shite show in the rear view several hundred miles ago

I just disagree, as I’ve stated. Pegula being a terrible owner is an admittedly crappy handcuff but that’s the job: Adams took it willingly, did he not? Winning with an owner who won’t spend is still possible when winning is defined as being top 16. It’s not a hard thing to do with competence

Ya it definitely works both ways. You can’t just time travel McDavid backwards and you’d need to give Gretzky the advantages of today. You can only measure true greatness relatively - still Wayne for me easily. But like, if you DID time travel McDavid backwards as is, he would annihilate everyone, every night. Some people don’t get that. And no, he wouldn’t get “clocked”. If he can avoid collisions at the speed of today, he can dodge pylons in 1970. Regardless of if said pylon personally doesn’t like it and wants to dish out damage Jim Brown would be an average sized back today. Olympic records are reset every 4 years. Athletes are bigger strong faster it’s just true

We are and have been sold the idea that Adams told us, and is to this day proud of it (watch the seravalli interview) that this process needed to take 5 years. It was a lie. If we make the playoffs next year, it wasn’t less of a lie. It has already taken too long. It shows that Pegula isn’t trying

Everything. They illustrate that you can suck and make the playoffs

5 of the highest 16 payrolls missed the playoffs this year. that means 5 teams with a payroll in da lower half of da league made it so. I guess you have a point. if you handcuff yourself and refuse to spend money you’ll only make it once every 3 years or so and even the sabres don’t have a drought of…WAIT YOU ARE SAYING ITS HOW LONG?! Making the playoffs isn’t hard

Not making it once in 13 years is truly absurd. You know how i know? You can post it a million times and it never feels like belabouring a point (and I belabour a lot) because it’s SO THROUGHLY RIDICULOUS lol. Just make the freaking playoffs just make the playoffs. Seriously. Make the playoffs lol Washington SUCKED

Teams with low payrolls make the playoffs all the time. Making the playoffs isn’t hard This isn’t just something I/we say. I say it cause it’s true. Washington was ASS this year

What’s EEE? we aren’t screwed and never are. One day people will realize the entire reason the 13 years has been so frustrating is because never, at any point, were we screwed we weren’t screwed in 2014 without a “star player”, we didn’t need to tank we weren’t screwed in 2017 to the extent of needing to be “torn down to the studs” and get a high draft pick. and we weren’t screwed when Jack said he didn’t want to be a part of a rebuild. they just made the easy choice in all 3 cases, instead of the right one. the drought is so frustrating specifically because we’ve *never* been screwed, making the playoffs is NOT hard, but the strategies being employed that CLAIM it to be, have, through endless runways and the constant deferring of the now in favour of the future, created a self fulfilling prophecy. if you don’t think the now is important, it never will be