Thorny

How is that an X. A random regular season hockey game won by a fraud unit wasn’t the closest to a championship we got i guess the argument is it “felt” like it? I get that but to me it felt like what it was, a fraud core getting themselves up for an “event” game cause they couldn’t find a way to care as much when it wasn’t. It was nice for RJ but in his heart of hearts I bet you he said “where the hell was this the other nights” Would never feel like the real thing to me because the night was only significant for one team. I don’t think our opponent put as much stock in the RJ bowl Fair enough

Oodles of moments in the 2006 run were better and closer.

I hear winnipeg is nice in December..

Patience, people 2028 closer than u think

It’s the latter

This. The looming “Adams’ plan was right all along!!” posts, should we eventually make it after years of failure under his watch, are an inevitable and necessary evil

Those are supporters - - - In seriousness your are mistaken in the sense that people do exactly that stuff in other fandoms, be it movies, books, tv, etc where you touch on something salient is that it’s unusual for folks to do it so consistently for such a terrible product over such a long course of time Taylor swift’s fans obsessively write out her set lists because they actually think her music is good - crazy concept Harry Potter has a ton of fan fiction because people like how the stories developed, not because people think they can do it better Game of Thrones was huge and once the last season torpedoed discussion for it fell off the face of the earth - because the product was bad we are the folks re-editing the Hobbit trilogy into one movie - if the hobbit was actually statistically the worst movie trilogy ever and it never stopped - - - your contention is really, imo, with how this behaviour is possible when the product is so bad. Maybe that’s exactly what you are saying. Imo it’s jealousy that stems from seeing that still somehow possible in others. I’m guessing that because that’s how I feel, anyways, jealous of the fact it could all be totally lost for me by means of a demonstrably terrible product for too long. The team needs this board more than the board needs the team - the board and the fans are the best part of the team BY far. I hate when I get jealous of the fans because as much as I can’t agree with the continued optimism in spite of all the contrary evidence it’s not deserved, I’d rather I did - I honestly rather i did

^ But where there’s no will there’s no way

But it’s not honestly not something that I need to belabour - like I said I’ve never seen a fan I’d call more passionate/have more of an undying and unwavering loyalty than those still posting here in the midst of this drought and I’m pretty sure these people refer to themselves as fans. As long as these people call themselves “Sabres fans” I’m comfortable saying the term “fan” can be just as indicative of whatever other standing being claimed “supporter” has. Being upset at results doesn’t indicate a lack of unwavering support both are equally illogical imo cause following one professional team you aren’t really a part of always is imo. The conflict of interest with ownership management and players is often striking never mind the poor odds of success in general

The cowboys thing is just about how they have stereotypically passionate fans - but none as far as I’m aware call themselves “supporters” - because that’s a European thing primarily. I don’t agree with the definitions being thrown around about one of “fan” or “supporter” necessarily indicating a different type of fan or one more logical or one more passionate.

But not for the reasons either of you are laying out the Dallas cowboys don’t have “supporters”. It’s cultural, not a commentary on severity This discussion involves telling people the correct way to follow a team and applying definitions to it. was joking at first now I’ll just double down: nadir

Fan or supporter? Tomato or tomato? We’ve found the nadir

Each and every fine person posting here should be awarded a medal for all time fan support Not kidding love / hate: two sides of the same coin the fear is neglect. That’s the true darkness

I can’t believe you dignified that with a repsonse, tbh. It’s willfully obtuse. Obviously anyone can understand it’s the low point because each year we miss is further removed from success, longer in the desert. Further disenfranchisement. Less belief you’ll actually care if they ever do win Defies logic to ask “why is it the lowest”? As if arguing you had one glass of water this week in the desert is better than last week when you had zero Exceptionally candid. Good post

That’s the rub Regardless of some of the potently passive aggressive, “I hear ya, but as a better fan nothing they can possibly do will ever taint my excitement!” responses you got

You were right about Jack, and you were brilliant in your hyping of the season - it gets me excited every year even though I have no hope 😂 It’s not your fault the GM doesn’t hold up his end of the bargain

Wasn’t only Thorny that wanted Jack to stay ^ YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE

I’ll always remember vividly your post about Taylor Hall looking like “a shark that wasn’t quite hungry yet” during camp 2021. How excited you were, and how excited you made me about it there’s no way that guy believed the core should be exploded to the tune of a long form plan based on 56 games, of which Jack played, what, 21? While severely hurt? There’s no way you’d draw that strong of a conclusion based on 21/56 games - I don’t buy it Jack and Sam had to go? You felt Adams had the right idea? It’s not plausible

You didn’t want Eichel traded until you heard he asked for a trade In fact you frequently argued against the necessity of it until it happened Talk about revisionist Again, you didn’t want it blown up You didnt want a 5 year rebuild you just argued splendidly and intelligently for why it could work, after the fact - its what you always do. You proclaimed the merits of how the plan could work, and if Adams was actually trying to build a winning team in the way we want one, he probably could have done it by following your strategy

I don’t hand wave 2021 as a quirk of the pandemic at all, that’s far from accurate. I deem it as something that should count towards the evaluation of the 15 years for exactly the amount of games within that stretch it counted for. 56 games. 56 out of 1157 using that anomalific sample size as justification for a 5 year rebuild is incredibly stupid yes

There’s no reason the lenses should be different. I’m judging him purely by the record of the team during his time as GM If you aren’t judging him by that after 5 years, I strenuously disagree with you. If you are, the lens is the same

It’s mostly the fact we are splitting hairs between bad and bad Better is still bad here. The reaction is going to be more in line with the bad, not the fact it’s squint and you see it better than putrid

And I’m glad you didn’t because Adams being probably worse than Murray and Botterill (looking at his full 5 years and not just 3) doesn’t stop him from being definitively worse than the competition when compared to a single real GM in Darcy

Only nearly true because of one season carrying the weight for the following two that downgrade, and then downgrade and also not true: 11/12/13 we averaged 89 points per (and made the damn playoffs, to boot) We’ve averaged 84.7 the last 3 (2013 of course a prorated total) You could have used 14 years as the cut off but alas you did not so