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Another reason is that Byram’s metrics have been relatively terrible outside of a small cherry picked collection of games unreflective of the lions share of underlyings which accurately reflect the poor player he has been - and that his play here hasn’t been as good as Casey’s was this is Bowen Byram

On this team, he may have a point

Kris Baker likes him? Oh I’ve never been more certain he terrible

There’s tons of things they can do. They can trade their first round pick The things they can do fall under the category of “well, WELL, no one else does that so” ..so they don’t get considered. But the sabres RECORD is something no one else does. They should trade their first, trade Konsta H, any future asset they can in the name of competing this year: there will be a draft next year, you’ll get your 7 picks people, it’ll be ok

He’s not contributing to the pair’s output Dahlin is the pair. Byram is a statistical passenger Byram isn’t good. You disagree. Thankfully he’s almost gone so we can stop rehashing this Today? It looks very bad - that’s the part I disagree with. Bad, with a side of prolific goal scorer

It’s true, he was exposed quite severely His best talent is not actively dragging Dahlin down. Sort of like you or I would. But he has that goingfor him: he can be a net neutral when playing with a top 5 league D

Yes, roughly the first 18 he had a chance to play since “recovering” from his shoulder Honestly, though if im the sabres (not you) - I’d be comfortable penciling him in for top 6 duty for 70-80 even though he’s never done it because why not? honestly a gamble here makes sense, we have some runway to work with. And he can snipe.

Agree with you, but not for this reason. It’s already a win for St. Louis, yes. But from our perspective, if we traded Thompson today for a 5th round pick and the pick becomes Ovechkin in 6 years it’s not a good trade. This is an extreme example but Tage becoming good will never make torpedoing that team just as Eichel was coming off his ELC retroactively good. It will always be bad. Did people forget what it led to with Finkle and Einhorn? We still haven’t won. It was a terrible trade

People can belittle it all they want, but “throwing away the future for a single playoff berth” shouldn’t be a stance that shares headspace with “we have to acknowledge the difficulties of team building in a market no one wants to go to” both are frequently used as defence for why we aren’t winning, and not infrequently by the same author. Winning begets winning. Want to have an easier time attracting players? Want to win more in the future? Win now if you can’t do it by ordinary means, sell out to do it. You aren’t going to win later without winning now so you have no choice

I wasn’t disagreeing with you I was branching I say it with politeness - don’t assume you are being disagreed with just because you’ve been quoted you proposed the idea a playoff berth is being or could be construed as meaningless and I responded

Didn’t say it was. ROR, on the other hand

lol Morrissey is a fraud - - - 6th is really good tbh considering the tire fire the sabres are. Conjures Eichel 8th in mvp voting vibes and we’ve seen what happens when guys like JE and Sam Reinhart blossom on good teams. My guess is Dahlin would have been nominated if we made the playoffs

Beyond the actual experience of it, how anyone could doubt that they literally need the berth as a functional building block to BUILDING said future is well beyond me

There is no future until they ice a winning team, finally you have it backwards The idea that a single playoff berth, when we haven’t had one in a decade and a half, is meaningless is truly absurd logic Like, absurd of the highest order. devoid of logic? What words are strong enough, here? HOW THOROUGHLY do we need to prove how special making the playoffs is? We never f*cking make it lol. “One meaningless berth”. One meaningless lottery win. ay caramba

We are past the point where moving prospects stings.

I stand corrected, he won this one

McLeod made them better than they would have been with Savoie

It’s because trades aren’t a zero sum game. Trades are also a means to an end, not a valuable metric in and of themselves. if winning trades is a thing, yes the blues won the trade because the trade facilitated their goal. Two teams can win a trade, 2 teams can lose. A good example of a trade both teams lost is Byram Mittelstadt To your point, the sabres have already lost the ROR deal: that’s another thing people don’t tabulate properly - time isn’t a negligible competent in trades lol. Our goal when trading ROR wasn’t to get a guy who was better in 5 years. The trade torpedoed an entire regime and set the team back years If you can analyze that swap as a “win”, it’s a pyrrhic victory at best but in reality with an awareness for context, it can only be construed as a colossal error

I also haven’t read a strong argument that he’s won any trades, ftr

Dealing who?

Great likeness, both mouthguard and head size

I mean, ya

This feels more like an oilers win but I could be wrong

Forsling made a pretty big save