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Math checks out on this. Still far outstripping any other single seeding placement
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3 guys with better grades, even relative grades than Dahlin is tough
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Kraken uniforms really pop on tv
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Who the hell is Kevin Stanlend
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One more playoff goal this year for Eichel than McDavid. won the lottery
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Yeichel!!
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Much better game from Jack thus far. Both goalies have made some phenomenal saves tbh
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It’s interesting - in my mind there’s sort of 2 schools of thought here that both kinda have an internal logical consistency and aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive: the bold above more less frames it. “May as well have just spent the money and ended the drought for a season or two.” Under one school of thought, relative to the league in general, I think this makes sense. On paper it’s not a difficult mathematical proposition - when half the teams make it. (Relative to the league), proclaiming “just make it already” actually does seem like a fair ask. In a vacuum, candidly id actually say that was my preferred course of action for this team, this year. I actually personally think this is part of the framing and context for Wawrow’s question yesterday. Isn’t finishing 20th a failure, relative to the league? There’s an argument. But perhaps the more salient factor, and probably the factor more at play, is relativity to the Sabres. Perhaps best summed up by “easier said than done.” Odds are subservient to actual results. The Sabres missing the playoffs for 12 years is a real thing, a real tangible thing that represents such a statistical anomaly so as to make “randomness” as the potential answer null and void. The Sabres, for one reason or another, in fact for a multitude, ARE what their 0/12 record says they are: they, *regardless of the league* have had a thoroughly documented issue converting on those “half the teams make it” odds. When we can safely rule out that it’s by chance, any sort of true trend bucker like *actually making the playoffs* is fundamental cause for celebration, imo. It *means* something in and of itself simply because it happened in a sea of not making it. Relativity factors in again: MAKING it is also a bigger deal for Buffalo than other teams. Making it means so much more than off-season conversation that we “should be” a 110 point team. Just make it. That’s the pudding
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I think I need a reboot, my inner programming isn’t really syncing with any of the formulas on this website anymore
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But what we do next season doesn’t have retroactive bearing on whether we could have made it, this season. Unless you mean like, “oh if all we were going to amount to is 95 points, we should have sold off a little more to get the job done last year.”? I suppose I understand that, I mean I’m disappointed we didn’t make it this season, too. But if we only amount to 95 points the idea we could have easily shifted to change our fortunes this season, with no regards to butterfly effect doesn’t really jive to me. I think personally I’d just see this season as the 16 point jump that facilitated a 4 point, makeable jumping distance for next season
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We can define the “next step” as whatever but is anyone really going to be disappointed if we tally 95 and squeak in next year? Not I. Sign me the eff up. It’ll have been 13 years. A good chunk of my total life span. If we have learned anything along the way it’s that we shouldn’t take entrance into that second season for granted. I could easily foresee a scenario where internal growth is offset by fewer career years next season. Just get in.
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Was just being facetious, using the “most hated team” phrasing I’ve seen used around these parts. That’s why my follow up said “I don’t really.” My standing on this board re: the Jets is pretty well documented over 8 years now. No I don’t hate them. Yes I root against them tbh I functionally root against all the Canadian teams. Too much over saturation of my media market, for me. The Jets obviously take the cake on this front so hold a special place in my psyche. Sometimes even rent free. Once the Sabres defeated them on track suit night, the feeling honestly died away, though. Now it’s more in fun
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I’m sorry you find the term “radio silence” offensive. For my part, calling a specific argument “ham handed” is a little different than saying there’s “something wrong” with how someone thinks, but in all honesty, I don’t mind, i wasn’t/am not offended. I get that a lot so I’m used to it. As for the numbers thing, give me one sec
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Yes? It’s detailed in the article you didn’t read
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@SDS you are following along, yes? It’s just joking around, or whatever? Statements like “Eichel has not added *anything* to their success” fit along with that? Because that is what is being argued. He hasn’t added anything. By all means go off
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You do realize your facts are all wrong? Sabres recorded 59 points after the Eichel trade last year, Vegas recorded 67. Vegas also had 20 more this season. Like, in reference to your comment that sabres have been better than Vegas since, in other post
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The Knights were significantly better than the Sabres this year, dude. Vegas falling off the map last year in the second half because half their team was injured isn’t revelatory. If you come back with something noteworthy, we can try again
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TLDR you get to be Gandalf tldrr you get to be the good wizard guy
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They only “haven’t amounted to anything” from your perspective because you never imposed a ridiculous ceiling on him to begin with. This is what I’m trying (and, yet again, failing) to explain cohesively: I don’t have an issue with your framing. But for many, “anything” included *even the ability* to be the best player on a good team, a good playoff team. It was said he wasn’t good enough to be the focal point of a playoff team, that the Sabres would in fact make the playoffs before Vegas. These are also not the most extreme things said. Under the prism of these statements, yes, he assuredly has achieved something
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We may indeed be two sides of Saruman but assuredly *you* are Saruman-as-he-should-have-been
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The accomplishments are relative to the folks saying that he was such a cancer they’d never be able to amount to anything with him there. That he was an organization-crippling cancer. These are things that were actually being argued and said in presumable good faith. I’m not sure how you can share this board with me for so long and launch yourself into this conversation in opposition to me when from the very beginning I’ve always been clear that it was those extreme, logic defying takes that rankled. When is the last time I quoted you on this issue? If you can’t see the difference in the takes I have issue with, I’m not sure how to explain it further like if you want to pretend all these Jack takes on your side are created equal, I can’t do that. You are forgetting how extremely off base things became, how absurd the projections of his future career became. I can’t do that
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I think you’d be better off following through with the other, more permanent request I made regarding my account
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Read the post I quoted and tell me it’s not trying (and admittedly WOEFULLY failing) to make a logical case to take away from his accomplishment I don’t hate the Jets. I don’t really hate anything. I also rarely post about the Jets
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“Already one of the more gifted offensive players in the league, Eichel was never seen as a defensive option. Being the top-line center on a Cassidy-coached team comes with that responsibility at both ends of the ice. Eichel had the best defensive season of his career this year, recording a plus-26 rating at 5-on-5 and a career-high 46 takeaways. “I’m not surprised. He’s been arguably our best defensive forward in terms of closing in our end, being on time, killing plays,” Cassidy said. “I just think he’s bought in with what we’re trying to get him to do.”“ great article on how well Jack has rounded out his full hockey game. Apologies because POITZ aren’t mentioned https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2023/apr/18/entering-first-playoff-run-jack-eichel-leads-golde/
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I have a lot of fun explaining to these guys how throughly they’ve twisted themselves into a pretzel through poor logic Make no mistake, this is now an Eichel thread