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  1. Expansion Draft -- Wed. July 21, 2021 (Release the Kraken)

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    53 minutes ago, Taro T said:

    Not really presuming the other rumored choices are also correct.

    Barring several trades (which could obviously still happen) or injuries there is little likelihood that Borgen is one of their top 8 D on opening night.  Which effectively gives him back to Buffalo in October if Adams wants him back.

    Holistically, yes. But I was speaking specifically from Buffalo's available list. Miller, he's peaked and his pricetag isn't great for being a #7. Girgs was hurt and is JAG, plus overpaid. Okposo would be a good choice, but the injuries, no way. Skinner: ha! Give me the upside. The total sleeper would have been Ogelvie, because Seattle also needs to fill out half an AHL roster this season, but he also cannot seem to stay healthy.

  2. Expansion Draft -- Wed. July 21, 2021 (Release the Kraken)

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    12 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

    Would you have rather lost Miller + a 4th(for Seattle taking him), or Borgen?

    For me, I'd have had Miller + our MTL 5th (we don't own ours, so it's late 5th round) on the table instead of Borgen, and I could have caved for the 4th. We've got 10 picks in this year's draft. It costs more to replace him in UFA than if we'd have spent a mid-round pick, especially if it's a JAG that we overvalue (Matt Irwin, for example), or worse, a multi-year deal on an overpay for someone who is fine, but whom Borgen quickly outgrows.

  4. Expansion Draft -- Wed. July 21, 2021 (Release the Kraken)

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    22 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

    I would have thought a lot of people in Seattle would be a lot more knowledgeable by now.  They are SO close to Vancouver. Just as we can get games out of Canada here (hockey night in canada) I would think they can also.

    I mean, Seattle and Vancouver aren't that much farther apart than Buffalo and Rochester are (a little, but the northern suburbs of Seattle are just over an hour away from the suburbs of Vancouver.)

    To be fair, it's just a couple hosts and their producer talking at the moment. I know one of the daytime hosts is really into hockey and does the T-Bird play-by-play/coverage so he'll know it. But at the moment, as an example, they read off as one of the names dropped McDermid from the Kings... who's just a guy.

    If they take any calls, the sports fans will know more.

  13. Sabrespace Seattle Expansion Draft

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    Columbus

    10 picks in and we've already got 5 defensemen...  Lots of defensemen later in the alphabet. I count 3 that should be their team's picks. Columbus should be Dean Kukan RHD 1 year / $1.65M then UFA. Then, look to trade him if necessary. That's the sane pick.

    However, in an alternate reality... Pu, Stenlund, Sherwood, meh. Grigorenko is KHL-bound. Nah, give me a guy who'll pass through waivers and be a feisty 20-game call up veteran when injuries hit, then pass right back through waivers. Your one-year "Seattle-captain" of the AHL Charlotte Checkers (shared with Florida). He's got the experience to keep a partial team together. Plus, the fans love him when he mixes it up with someone twice his size. F Nathan Gerbe.  1 x $750k.

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  14. Expansion Draft -- Wed. July 21, 2021 (Release the Kraken)

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    7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

    Setting the price for Ullmark?

    If we can get Ullmark 3x$3.5... Do what must be done, GM Sheevyn. Do not hesitate! Show no mercy him the money. 

    Ullmark will go higher. Driedger is coming off a sub-$1M deal and had the benefit of a solid defensive roster in front of him. He's good, and I like him, but unless he'd stolen a series against Tampa, he was going to get stymied by his previous deal and get a 1B deal.  On the other hand, Ullmark made Buffalo look respectable. He'll be like the most recent wave of starting goalies: Demko, Holtby, Kuemper, Markstrom. $4.5M minimum is my guess. And it only takes one GM to not be scared by the injuries and give him $6M like Markstrom got (it's unlikely, but... so was Skinner's contract).

  15. Expansion Draft -- Wed. July 21, 2021 (Release the Kraken)

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    16 minutes ago, Hoss said:

    Price’s cap hit is very bad right now. It’s not going to get better as he ages and his body continues to slow down, even if the cap starts going up.

    There are a decent number of big contracts out there for Seattle to select as well as a number of them to negotiate with free agents so taking on $10.5M for a goalie when you’ve got another at $3.5M probably isn’t the best route to take here.

    Weber may never play again so they’re not touching him. You obviously want to have those conversations with Montreal just in case they throw something your way still but it seems unlikely.

    St. Louis is an interesting team because Tarasenko is one of the league’s best players as long as he can return to health (I don’t know how big of a question this is). So you can take him and provide a big boost to your lineup or you can pick him with the intention of trading him. The caveat with them is that Vince Dunn is one of the most appealing players available as a young defensemen that should give you top four minutes for a decade.

    It's a terrible cap hit. We all laughed at Montreal when Price signed the deal because it was too high for a goalie (we'd been seeing MAF, Crawford, and Matt Murray play well... but really just be passengers on their team's prowess. Some great saves, but not stealing series because they didn't have to.) That's where... MTL really has to entice me to make the move. And I don't think the Habs are willing to do it. Bergevin knows they're pretenders.

    I think Weber plays again and sooner than expected. Both he and Price were suddenly getting offseason surgery as they got exposed. MTL might be happier for neither of them to play again to free up the cap space. But I'm guessing they are on the ice in the season after this one (22-23).

    I like Tarasenko a lot. But not enough to pass on Dunn. Soooo many good young defenders to build around. Bean, Dunn...  and they won't break the bank. Get a couple really solid veterans (Giordano, maybe a Shattenkirk/De Haan) to keep them company on expiring deals, and stockpile the younger guys.

  16. Official Sabres Expansion Protection List

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    32 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

    I go for a 2 hour hike in the beautiful NS nature with the *mist rolling in from the sea* (oh, my ... 😎 ... shout out to @steveoath !!) and all heck breaks out in this thread.

    What in the blazes is going on here?

    I'm out of it for a little while and everyone gets delusions of grandeur (for Luke Adam). 

    9 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

    In my draft list I plan to release tomorrow, I'm a tease, poor skating really drops you down my list. There's some really talented guys who just can't get around the ice. 

    Looking forward to it. If it's too cold for speeders you take tauntauns. If your tauntaun dies... you're in trouble. Gotta be able to skate well enough to make an impact. 

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  17. Expansion Draft -- Wed. July 21, 2021 (Release the Kraken)

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    2 hours ago, WildCard said:

     

    This is a good move for Seattle. Guy coming into his own, like an Ullmark. Not an overpay. From Florida's list, he's the best player with upside and production. I like Acciari's game, but there are other 3rd liners available who bring more. I could see a one-year on Stralman as a cagey vet who could be moved at the deadline, but there are so many other defensemen available (see other threads re: Borgen/Miller).

    2 hours ago, Hoss said:

    I don’t think they’re taking Carey Price. I see no way they pay $14M for goalies.

    If I'm Seattle I look at Montreal returning to the Atlantic next season and smile. This Habs team has pieces... but remove Weber or Price and rely on Allen? In Tampa/Boston/Toronto's division. That's not a playoff team. So I squares up to the Habs... casual-like. What's it worth the Habs to get Price's contract off their books? 2022 MTL 1st and 2023 MTL 1st? Picks must be lottery unprotected. When Bergevin balks I ask the same question for Shea Weber. Have a friendly discussion. I don't think Montreal does it, but I inquire.

    Maybe I can get a MTL 2022 1st and 2023 1st/2nd to take a Weber/Price. If I do, that's where I seriously consider spending the cash on them. Because the Habs are a 5th-place in their division even with both guys healthy in the lineup. So is MTL rebuilding (in which case they don't trade the picks) or are they deluding into thinking they've got a playoff-caliber roster? What does Bergevin think of his team's future?

    I bank on Seattle spending near to the cap on opening day this season (maybe less next season after some bad contracts come off the books), LTIR being available, and... by the time 2024-25 rolls around, the cap beginning its resurgence. The last two years of Price's deal won't be bad cap hits.

  20. Seattle Expansion Protection List

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    1 hour ago, Weave said:

    I think Borgen’s range is much more likely between Mike Weber and McCabe than it is McCabe and McKee.  And I don’t think a Weber ceiling is a given at this point.

    If Seattle takes Borgen, I hope he does well out here in Seattle in the mold of Weber, but we Sabres folks have a top-flight d-corp anyway. If we keep him, the I hope he's a McKee complete with timely playoff goals in a Sabres uni. (Still hoping it's Miller and a 6th so the Kraken can fill out their prospects list with some JBot-special puck-moving d-man from Sweden.)

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  21. Seattle Expansion Protection List

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    1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

    Borgen matters but not in the grand scheme

    I look at Borgen as anywhere from McCabe to McKee/Warrener (all 2nd-rounders). He can skate well enough, he was starting to get more involved offensively in Rochester two seasons ago. He projects out to 3-6D, and can be the stabilizing force for a young puck-moving partner. The thing is... he's cheap now. And if we were to keep him and sign him, he'd be a) still cheap, b) getting better each season, and c) because of how he plays -- becoming a fan favorite. He'll give us 6 solid seasons, ala McCabe, before he becomes the really cagey veteran who gets $4M (like McKee or Gorges or Rivet) and then we have to let him go or trade him for a 2nd if we're missing the playoffs that season. If we lose The Concept of Borgen, we either get another Matt Irwin on the cheap, or we have to pay $4M for that grizzled vet that Borgen should become -- and still likely is on the 3rd pairing. At least, that's all my Concept of Borgen. We drafted and developed him... let's reap some of the benefits.

    Let he and Samuelsson become the next McKee/Warrener or McCabe/Risto (except better, because the team is hopefully better).

    All this novelization... and I'm still thinking we sweeten Seattle with a 5th-6th pick to take Miller who can be a PP2nd. JBot liked Miller a lot at one point and likely still does; Borgen was a GMTMer.

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  22. Expansion Draft -- Wed. July 21, 2021 (Release the Kraken)

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    35 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

    I think it's pretty much impossible that the Habs would let Price go after that SCF run in which he was their MVP.

    That's the key. Then Seattle needs to figure out what the Habs will give up to a) waive his NMC and b) keep Allen. Sure, he's not been great in the regular season recently, but neither had MA Fleury been before Pittsburgh let Vegas have him. Seattle needs to be on the pillaging path.

  23. Expansion Draft -- Wed. July 21, 2021 (Release the Kraken)

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    Re: Price.  That's a gigantic cap it. 10M+ for years...  but within 3 seasons the cap should start going up again. If I'm Seattle, I give MTL a call and ask for a 2022 or 2023 1st to relieve them of the burden of Price's cap hit. Or alternately, what kind of pick I can get for them to not lose the face of their franchise. See if I can make them sweat a little bit.

    If Seattle took Price and Driegder/Vanecek, their goaltending at the NHL level is set. And likely at $12M to bridge the backup...  while super-high, isn't completely unreasonable. Montreal just did it.

  24. Seattle Expansion Protection List

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    17 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

    What "history"?   Injuries?

    Ah, yes. I'll edit to add.   I like Ullmark a bunch, but this non-contact knee injuries scare the stuffing circuits out of me. In this day and age, unless the goalie is a Price, Roy, Brodeur, Hasek -- someone who has dragged and carried a team to a conference Final or further... no need to go to 7 or 8 years. Markstrom only got 6 last season, and it's unlikely any of the good-but-not-great goalies this 2021 UFA season get full-term contracts, either.

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  25. Bold takes: opinions Sabrespace won’t agree with

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    21 hours ago, WildCard said:

    - The Tank worked.

    Absolutely, it did. We finished last in back-to-back seasons. Which netted us two 2nd overalls that we converted into the top-ranked centers (by general scout and TV talking head consensus) available at the time of our selection. And now... 4 times out of 7? seasons. We tanked and tanked and tanked most beautifully.

    We are a tank. A big, tall, walking tank.

    It's the next step after we've become the tank that looks like this:

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