Hoss

The throw, even if pitiful, was good enough. Because Clay was wide open. Clay did a good job to get wide open. Just like Allen did a good job to get open for the throw. Then they both messed up. Pretty easy concept.

Under the circumstances the throw was pitiful. At the time he actually threw the ball he was under no pressure at all. The effort to get to that point was great, though.

These trade proposals are extremely far off in value and it doesn’t really make sense for us to subtract a ton from the roster if we’re going after rentals

If you win ten in a row then lose three in a row for 82 games you end up with 120+ points ?

Vegas’ expectations have certainly changed

I don’t think McVay or Shanahan were considering Buffalo. I think Reich would have jumped at the chance to coach here. Still early to get frustrated by Reich vs McDermott tho I don’t think it looks great so far.

Appears that Sheary won’t be back tonight

That or maybe he just wants to disrupt things as little as possible while they’re out short-term

And that’s the type of success I think you can expect from Allen if he ever gets there. I don’t imagine he’ll EVER be that flawless franchise QB we all want. And obviously you simply cannot have the success Goff has had for two straight seasons without being damn good and talented. I don’t think there’s a ton of doubt that Allen has talent.

One of the huge differences that seems to be more and more evident over the last few years in QB success is coaching. The three most obvious situations are with the LA Rams, Philadelphia Eagles and Indianapolis Colts. Jared Goff looked bad as a rookie. The team fires Jeff Fisher and brings in Sean McVay who was credited with making something out of Washington's QBs for a few years. Goff has turned into a star under McVay. With Indy and Philly it's intertwined. Doug Pederson got a ton of credit for Carson Wentz and his MVP season last year (he would've won had he not got hurt). Eventually they went on to win the Super Bowl getting stellar play from Nick Foles. In Indy Andrew Luck had battled injuries and some not-so-impressive play for several years. Frank Reich leaves Philly to lead Luck and Indy. Now Luck is playing at a near-MVP level and Wentz & Foles both took steps back along with the Eagles as a team. This is all kind of obvious, but I think it's a bigger emphasis than we think. Everyone gives Andy Reid credit with Mahomes. So do we believe McDermott and Daboll are the right fit for Allen? I'm not confident in McDermott. I've been indifferent with some positive vibes with Daboll. I've seen his play calling put the team in position to win and execution simply fail. At some point if you're consistently failing to execute a gameplan than the gameplan isn't right for that squad, but that's hard to judge with such a talentless group. Allen's development will be more on the coaching staff than anything else once at least a decent level of talent is around him.

I wouldn’t put much stock in the order Vogl posted those lines. I imagine Risto will still lead in minutes, likely in ES as well. By an inch.

Ding ding ding another bad opinion!

Having gone back and watched some more of the game I do think yesterday was full of some positives from Allen. Still WAY too many brutal moments that have nothing to do with the lack of talent around him for me to get really excited but definitely good to see.

John Vanbiesbrouck? Led the Panthers to a Cup appearance early on. Cover of NHL 97. I don’t have memories of him playing due to age but I’m familiar with him largely because of the stories of that Florida cup run.

It’s Vanbiesbrouck

99.99% of current pro athletes are millennials

The millennials have hijacked the thread (but mainly because it’s work hours and none of us have jobs)

Every year.

As it stands the Bills have the eighth pick. Had they lost one of the last two games they would be fifth. Had they lost both they’d first overall.

Imagine if Cam Newton did this

Never listen to the fans

Am I losing my mind? How are people saying Allen had a great game today? I’m seeing some on twitter saying he even looked like a franchise quarterback. That’s... insane.

Jerry Hughes chased an official off the field. Says the ref called him a “bitch” (b-word if the filter catches it) and threatens him.

I’ve defended Charles Clay as a solid but not good or great tight end for a while but that’s brutal.

Wow Charles Clay blew it lol