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Know what else can hinder the team long term? Continuing to miss the playoffs so players are less likely to waive trade protection to come here and UFAs need to be even more overpaid to be convinced to sign. Long term planning isn't as simple as holding onto picks and prospects.

Agree to disagree. I think a team can always use a 90-point player. It's the same reason the Leafs are going to keep him even though they also have Tavares, Matthews, and Nylander up front.

In 4 years maybe. It all depends on timeline. For a team starting a fresh rebuild, an offer sheet of this magnitude doesn't make a ton of sense. But for a team that already has a foundation in place? Hell yea.

Would you pay $4M and two 1sts to upgrade from Sam to Jack? I sure would.

All else equal, a 20 point gap in production is huge

How many teams are trading away a 90-point player entering his prime for two 1sts?

This reasoning is exactly why offer sheets don’t happen. I think it's flawed, but it's definitely real.

Because Marner is way better than any player you're trading for.

Myers is serviceable as a 4/5 (ideally 5), so maybe a little unfair...but yes, this contract is bonkers.

@tom webster still don't think GMs are stupid? (To be clear, I know what you're saying, but things like this are why people use "stupid" as shorthand for "bad.") I can't fathom thinking giving Myers this contract is a good idea. Holy smokes.

I think a venn diagram of what it would take to get Pavelski here financially and what it would be defensible to pay him to do so would look like two circles separated by the Atlantic Ocean. I would do $5Mx3 but I really don't think that's even close to what it would take.

And none of us are amazed that you're amazed ??

Pavelski would be such a great addition, but there's no freaking way he's coming to a bottom feeder. None.

The real question is how long Pavelski's agent spent laughing.

That's probably true, but is it really any different than any non-1st/2nd overall pick? I'd imagine it was much the same for the Mittelstadt pick.

Breaking news: milquetoast GM says everyone is great. More at 11:00. ?

Indeed. We're either going to overpay for certainty or be left hoping for someone within the organization to step up to capably fill the role. Haven't had too much luck on the whole internal solution thing for quite some time.

He'd be a great addition. Sign me the hell up.

I understand this perspective, but it carries significant risk that a better opportunity doesn't actually come along. I'd rather have a good deal that could have been better than no deal because I waited for the rainbow that never comes.

Not consistently, he can't.

From the guy who always says development isn't linear?!?! It depends what you consider stumbling. He shouldn't have been anywhere near the NHL last season, I think that's clear. Even with better linemates, I'd expect more of a "normal" rookie season for a top-10 pick, even though it's technically year 2. Relatedly, I'll scream if they break up Jack and Skinner. We're paying Skinner to score 35-40 and that's not happening without Jack.

There's one RFA target off the books before the purported "offer sheet offseason" even begins. Shocking. Anyway, that's a pretty sweetheart deal for Vegas, damn.

With the tweak, my answer is much the same. In a vacuum I'd say probably not, but maybe. Bigger picture, however, if it means Jack is skating with Thompson and Olofsson...yikes.

How do you define success, and in what team context? I do not think he could succeed with them as wingers if you define it as 2C on a playoff team.

The pick is 2020 lottery protected. If either team is relying on a high percentage lottery pick 2 years from now, they've already failed.