Randall Flagg

I don't see the ducks not wanting Eichel really badly

I think some of your moves are skewed in Buffalo's favor, but that Buffalo has enough things to get them done anyway. I would be over the moon with this offseason.

Zactly. Love lindholm idea

Drysdale would be an acceptable replacement for Zegras, though that would increase importance on other forward moves this summer and/or in draft. 3OA is not an acceptable replacement for Zegras imo

Whys that Mr brawndo?

It's not acceptable to me to trade eichel to ducks without zegras coming back. I'd do anything within reason to make it happen (no adding dahlin or something ridiculous )

Fwiw a supermajority lies in that range

What is a 60-70/30-40 split lmao Edit I get what you're saying here. I woulda switched the slashes slashes the hyphens You are the minority position my friend, I am there with you, but the hockey establishment has spoken on this. "Getting out of their own way" is best served to describe a team taking the guy most people agree is #1, and "not getting out of their own way" would be used to describe getting too fancy and going off the board. Which I hope they do

I don't want to draft him either but he's basically consensus #1, that expression you use would be better served if they went away from consensus, not affirmed it

Frankenstein by Mary Shelley If nature is your enemy, you are the enemy

This sure didn't happen last time hehe. But maybe sabrespace has quick learning curve. This should happen today because I'm on vacation on draft day

Yep - I think any move we make is gonna have this unfortunate risk. I view the Ducks and these players as ones that limit that possibility relative to some other returns. Here's the thing about this stuff. Every year with Jack, many of us looked at this roster and pinpointed where we'd end up within ~4 points because of how bad our GMs always were. And it was always mid-70s. There is no reasonable change Jack could have made short of turning into literally prime Gretzky that could have on its own turned that into a 20 point improvement and potentially sniffing the playoffs. "He led this team nowhere" is technically true but leaves out the fact that we were so incompetent in all facets, that no NHL player playing today could be swapped in for Jack and handed those teams appreciable improvements (some could have helped us win a few more games, maybe, but nobody would come close to making up that 20 point gap. When McDavid went out and Draisaitl kept scoring last year, the team's record didn't vary much at all IIRC - to see standings improvement you need entire lines and entire pairings and starting goalies to improve together). With Jack or with McDavid, or anyone in between, 2015-2021 being exactly the same outside that one roster spot has us in exactly the same spot today. Jack might not be Mark Messier or Connor McDavid, but any competent franchise can win with him as a 1C, and he would make their job doing so easier than a lot of other 1Cs. No website whispers of his attitude, which are orders of magnitude less prevalent than what we were barfing out there post-ROR trade, and look what he did, change that

I would be ecstatic. At this point I'd rather have that happen than keep Jack

I don't think that fourth piece is gonna be very big though. What do you think we could get instead? Or what do you think the value of dropping from 1 to 3 is

This was supposedly a sure thing with someone else a few years back and he immediately won the cup and Smythe. This stuff is always going to be whispered about when it's time to move on from someone. It was nonexistent until this point. It's nothing and garbage until proven otherwise

Hes not that old and played on a horrendous ducks team with no other players the last two years. He'll bounce back into being a top sixer in his prime easy. I guess I just don't view it as giving up two assets, I'm just changing one into a pick 2 spots lower to try and get more back. If we could get even more on top of that then all the better - switch Comtois with Drysdale? That seems like robbery on our part given Eichel's condition

I mean, I hope so. Half the time you guys are making me think we can't even get Zegras alone for eichel. I'm seeing it as, adding comtois to drop to 3 and get a player who will be even better than power anyway, and then trading jack for rakell and Zegras. Rakell will be good again for us I'm not moving it, I'm downgrading it 2 slots in a draft where Power barely separates from the pack

I'm so confused by you guys sometimes. Zegras Comtois Rakell for Eichel and dropping 2 spots seems way better than plenty of stuff I've seen you/Hoss propose/be OK with doesn't it? I'd have to go home to really sift through stuff to be sure.

Eichel and 1 for Zegras, 3, Comtois, Rakell

It's a shame it played out this way. It didn't have to. No reason to be confident we get the next attempt correct either

He became it too. That guy was a stud for at least a couple of years.

What are the odds this trade happens before the end of playoffs? Before draft day? I'd do Reichel Dach and Debrincat. Chicago wouldn't

I'm not big on either LA center prospect.

Eklund

Something must have happened to this guy. He was inside or just outside the top 10 D in the league according to most fans I read or interacted with not that long ago