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This. I don’t think he put a number on it, but it was clear he was taking the long road of build from within. This is often what that road looks like. Carolina has made the playoffs 6 years in a row. Before that they missed for 9 straight years. Aho, Teravainen, Pesce, Slavin, Staal and Necas were all part of the team that missed that last year that led them to draft Svechnikov. Hanifan and Lindholm were also part of the team and were flipped (for Dougie Hamilton) kinda like Mittelstadt was flipped for Byrum. They built a critical mass and an identity from within, then added around it.

Some of this seems to be more hindsight though. Last year’s team could score with the best of them, but couldn’t keep the puck out of its own net. It had just improved by 16 points. Is that the context that cries for changing coaches? Adams brought in Johnson and Clifton and Greenway to address the goals-against and penalty-killing issues. He decided he was better off waiting for someone to emerge from his trio of goalies than bringing in an outsider. And he (my opinion) bet that he could bring in Pat Kane to fill the Quinn hole while leaning on Olofsson as his backup plan. He did not foresee his 4 top scorers all falling of as dramatically as they did, which - far more than any of the above - killed this year’s team. To me, it’s an excuse to say Adams wasn’t trying to make the playoffs this year. Semantics maybe, but in my opinion, his failures were failures of execution, not conviction.

@Flashsabre asked the question in another thread: Has Terry had enough and does he want to get serious about fixing this mess? Which brought up something I'm really curious about: Does Sabrespace think the existing core of the Sabres can still grow into the core of regular playoff team, as Kevyn Adams has clearly preached and managed toward up until this point? Has the Adams rebuild had a setback, or has it failed completely?

But Adams thought he was making the playoffs this season adding the players he did. He's always told us his plan was collecting young talent and nurturing them toward success and promised us it will work. By specific conviction, do you mean acquiring clearly better players to push the Peterkas, Quinns, Powers, Byrums and Bensons further down the depth chart, or even moving some of those players to acquire more established ones? Not arguing, just wanting you to expand on what you're actually hoping to see.

I realize that for most of us right now, it’s all about ending the drought. From a league-wide perspective, the Sabres are no different than a dozen other playoff bubble teams in the mix for the final few spots. Next year a couple teams from that group will be next year’s Vancouver and Nashville and a couple teams above that group will be next year’s New Jersey. I don’t think the Canucks jumped because they became urgent, or the Devils fell because they didn’t. 3 teams are tied for the last wild card spot right now: Detroit had about as “urgent” an off-season as any team. Philly and Washington looked like they were writing the year off to rebuild. Identify the holes and fix them as best you can.

Don’t need to tell you guys about the flaws of +/-. But within that context it does give you some indication of how successful a player has been in his role and relative to his team. On a team that is -7, 20-year-old Nikita Novikov is +19, far and away the best on the Amerks. He has 23 points in 62 games. No idea what the underlying metrics and eye test is saying, but the numbers look promising. Mattias Samuelsson had 12 points in 23 games as a 20-year-old rookie, and was -8 on an inferior Amerks team.

Whatever should happen, what will happen is Granato will be back with a few new assistants, most significantly Seth Appert, who will be the coach in waiting if the Sabres are sucking in November. That’s how Adams rolls.

Is this mostly or entirely about Leinonen? Forton has overseen 3 drafts. This kinda feels like you're arbitrarily deciding he got talked into "good" picks and owns the "bad" ones. I've always kinda thought Leinonen was a Kevyn Adams call; as in Adams decided he desperately needed to draft a goalie that year and was going to reach off his list to do it if he had to. The guy(s) who honed in on Leinonen specifically to be that goalie, I have no idea. Well, actually I have no idea about any of this; it's just the impression I got from talk in and around the pick.

I haven't particularly noticed the "against stars" thing, but I'll watch for it, and it fits. Owen Power still across as a baby in terms of his maturity. He comes across as a responsible, polite, kinda nerdy introvert whose mom and dad always loved him, and is quitting his job packing groceries to head off to college.

No. Do you think what any fan thinks about that matters much in the context of this conversation? Do you think him saying “I believe in my teammates and I’m not going to rest until we reach the playoffs” is not representing the team well in the community or the media, or setting a good tone for his teammates? I know some of you look at the “youth” thing as an excuse and I buy that in terms of Adams could have and still can get older players. But in terms of the locker room, I see it as simple truth: many of these players are talented and inexperienced and should get better. And if I’m leading this group, that’s an integral part of the message I’m sending the Powers and the Peterkas and any other kids Adams sends my way: I believe in you guys; if you keep working and learning, you will have success. And then I hold them accountable for getting better. There may be flaws in its execution, or the players receiving it, but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the message.

Well there’s this unforgivable comment “I want the Buffalo Sabres in the playoffs, and I’m never going to give up, and I think we’re close,” Dahlin said prior to Thursday’s 4-2 win over the Washington Capitals in the home finale at KeyBank Center. “I think we are a really good team. I think we’re the youngest team in the league, so, well, it sucked that we didn’t get in, but we have learned so many things from this year that we have to bring into next year and get better.”

You have been very pointed about saying “leave no stone unturned”. This year is why.

This is amazing to me: The Sabres, Devils and Red Wings each have 38 wins. The Islanders, Flyers, Penguins and Capitals each have 37. Three of those teams will make the playoffs. Four will not. Anybody who watches hockey knows the difference between each of those teams is a few deflections here and a few bobbled passes there. What’s been so confounding about the current team for me is not that they are terrible like most Sabres teams of the past decade, it’s that they are finally good enough to be part of the great band of mediocre that comprises about 40% of the NHL. And they still didn’t make it. Twice. It simply shouldn’t be that hard to find the one straw that pushes them to the front of that pack.

Hoppe has gotta be at least 2 decades younger than Terry. Are you sure you aren’t mixing him up with another suburban sportswriter, Chuck Pollock? https://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/pollock-don-t-expect-me-to-criticize-bills-sabres-owners/article_8e94de6e-27ca-11e7-940b-1b83486bdd3c.html

I’ve given up responding, but all the homework is on the site somewhere. He did trade a ton of draft capital, but he also acquired a ton of draft capital. I believe the net was he acquired more than he dealt. No one remembers Chris Stewart for a 2nd, or Matt Moulson for 2 2nds. Not sure if this is comprehensive but it will give you a general overview. http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_GM/Tim_Murray/274

My point was that Dahlin hardly seemed “not in it with them” like Inky suggests. He was engaged the entire time with 2 caps and a linesman. (Unlike a certain #8) This one shows Dahlin starting things in response to Oshie’s hit on Tage.

Yep, 26 was basically grabbed by the official from the beginning but he was swinging and his gloves come off. Basically, it should have been him and Oshie, but Strome and the ref grabbed Dahlin and Clifton grabbed Oshie

Guess I gotta rewatch, but my memory was Dahlin being heavily engaged with someone in the scrum while the linesman was draped all over him and TJ Oshie was jumping on his back. Then he and Oshie got engaged directly with more official interference. He was definitely in the thick of things.

Not something I personally put a ton of stock in. I was actually most interested in the fact of how close the three were using that calculation given how hard it is to compare their three different leagues. I think we all have our favourites when it comes to playing armchair GM, but until they're all Sabres — or at least Amerks — it's pretty hard to tell which is better kept and which should be dangled.

Points per game projected over 82 games for each

I saw Kulich, Savoie and Östlund's stats this year run through an NHLe calculator this week: 24, 24 and 28 points respectively over a full NHL season.

He did it because he was the Rick Martin Award winner. Anyone who doesn't think it's going to be Dahlin hasn't been paying attention. Neither has anyone who doesn't think it should be Dahlin. I honestly wonder if there's some weird mix of Euro-bias and people who are still thinking of 18-year-old Dahlin when this conversation happens. He's the best player, the hardest worker, the guy who sticks his nose in the most, and the guy who cares the most. I hope the "stand-up for his teammates" crowd was watching how that meeting of the minds at the end of tonight's game got started. If his name Stemhavolinski and he had a five-o'clock shadow the poll would be unanimous.

Maybe. But if you applied a similar exercise this year to Thompson, Tuch, Cozens and Skinner I doubt the results would be nearly as shiny, especially when you add the power play to the equation. Whether it's commitment, culture, coaching or circumstance at fault, a significant portion of the failures of this season can be laid at the feet of our top forwards.

Absolutely this. Power still plays the game too often like he's a full-grown man playing against a pack of 12-year-olds and he doesn't want to hurt or embarrass anybody. What I need to see from him is less about punishing people and more about defensive assertiveness. His is a game is built on patience, finesse and thinking one step ahead, but there are so many instances where what's needed is just the simple elimination of "your" man. You don't need to hurt him, you don't need to worry about your next play, you just need to step up with authority to prevent him from making his.

I thought this was interesting: ES points Adam Fox 37 Owen Power 26 Hits Adam Fox 43 Owen Power 43 Blocked shots Adam Fox 116 Owen Power 109 giveaways/60 Adam Fox 1.18 Owen Power 1.29 penalties taken/60 Adam Fox 0.67 Owen Power. 0.36 ES ice time Adam Fox 18:26 Owen Power 19.:29 Possession Adam Fox 53.7 Owen Power 51.8 Goals for % Adam Fox 54.4 Owen Power 54.2