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  3. The three Adams threads are annoying and we can have a discussion about him in one thread.

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    11 hours ago, SwampD said:

    But because he didn't go to the magical, mythical land where all the spare starting veteran goalies grow and pluck one off the branch, he is a failure.

    Seriously, he's had three seasons and nearly four off-seasons to straighten out the goaltending situation.  That's his job.  Other GMs seem to have managed.  If Levi doesn't work out, Adams has to go.

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  4. The three Adams threads are annoying and we can have a discussion about him in one thread.

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    11 hours ago, SwampD said:

    Yep. This is my last visit to this thread.

     

    13 minutes ago, SwampD said:

    While I do agree with this, I will say that before KA took over, I hated this team. I was only watching out of habit and pretty much didn’t like a single player on the team (with exceptions, of course.) I couldn’t stand anything about them, coach, GM, owner, to say nothing of the bafflingly awful hockey they were playing. I was kinda hoping that they would move, so I could just watch hockey for hockey’s sake.

    I like this team now. I want them to win. I like KA and he is the reason.

    (I know, the last line should probably be in the other thread,… maybe the entire post. We live in a confusing time.)

     

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  6. A little NHL trivia...

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    13 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

    Who did people pick for the Sabres on the grid.  I went the more obscure.  I did Joe Juneau (Bos), Stu Barnes (Dal) and Brent Peterson (Det).  I probably should have gone Reed Larson for the Buf/Dal one.

    Plante (Dal), Paille (Bos), Gare (Det).  5%, 2%, 2%.

  15. Looking at the Atlantic Division

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    1 hour ago, dudacek said:

    lumbering 31-year-old 16-goal Coyle over speedy age 22 with 31 goals Cozens

    Not what I wrote.

    50 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

    Trading 22 year old Cozens for 22 year old Coyles is nuts. Coyle best season 56pts and 21g. He did one at 24 and one at 23. Cozens best to date is 31g and 68pts at age 22. 

    Yes what I wrote.

  16. Complaint Thursdays

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    5 minutes ago, JujuFish said:

    Took a friend to the hospital today to get some fluid drained. I decided to bring my Tab S7+ for entertainment while in the waiting room.

     

    Except I left it on the roof of the car, where it stayed until I was driving down the road. After hearing a weird thud, I took a second to realize what had happened.

     

    Turned around, found the case and SPen in the middle of the road and the tablet flung off to the side, clearly run over. Dagnabbit. So infuriating.

    Did you at least get to keep the fluid?

    /s  I'm sorry, that sux!

  17. Around the NHL 2023 Summer Edition

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    23 minutes ago, shrader said:

    Wasn't there a lot of "Logan Cooley will never sign with the Coyotes" talk around here?  This is another one to keep in mind when the annual fear of losing a draft pick pops up.

    I know what you're saying, but let's face it, the Sabres have lost a couple / few college prospects and it's enough that they should be wary.  We all were worried about Levi and Johnson last season, and it's a justifiable concern.

  18. Complaint Thursdays

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    21 minutes ago, Night Train said:

    Wife and I did our first shot for shingles. We are both sore and tired 24 hours later. Can hardly wait for the 2nd  shot  in a couple months. Ugh...

    This is why I have been putting it off, even though I shouldn't.

  19. Looking at the Atlantic Division

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    1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

    Lines were pulled from LineCombos and idk how close Boston's are to reality but that is what I used. Buffalo had one edit done by me. Mitts went to Oloffson's spot and Olofsson slid to line 3. If you want to come in and complain because I did the lines wrong, have fun. I used what I had available. 

    Forwards

    JEFF SKINNER - TAGE THOMPSON - ALEX TUCH /// BRAD MARCHAND - PAVEL ZACHA - DAVID PASTRNAK

    - Skinner is a step below Marchand but still a very good agitation winger. Edge to Boston. Thompson is better than Zacha, straight up better. Zacha might be better defensively but the sheer volume of Tage's scoring covers that. Pasta is better than Tuch, although I don't think Tuch has peaked. Overall, I think Boston's top line even with Zacha remains a point above. This gap is a lot closer without Bergeron.

    JOHN JASON PETERKA - DYLAN COZENS - CASEY MITTELSTADT ///  JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK - CHARLIE COYLE - JAKE DEBRUSK

    I think JJP will be better than JVR but at this point I would call it a draw. Again, I think JJP will be better and he has the potential to be better while JVR is declining. Cozens is better than Coyle. Coyle had slightly better defensive metrics but offensively Cozens is simply better. Again we have a case of a 31yr old versus a 22yr old and I will bet Cozens is better and Coyle declines. Advantage Buffalo. Debrusk v Mitts really comes down to which Mitts we get. Is it the 2nd half of the season Mitts, then I lean Mitts. Being with a shooter like Cozens and JJP, I think Mitts would excel versus Debrusk being with Coyle instead of Krejci is a decline. Conclusion is that Buffalo's 2nd line will be better than Boston's. 

    JORDAN GREENWAY - PEYTON KREBS - VICTOR OLOFSSON /// A.J. GREER - MORGAN GEEKIE - TRENT FREDERIC

    Greenway wasn't great but he's better than Greer. I could put Lucic here I suppose but I get the same outcome. Greenway is better but how much is debatable. Krebs v Geekie... idk but I suppose I must lean Geekie for now. I don't think he is special and Krebs grow a lot in his sophomore year. Geekie edges him out for now. Frederick is better than Olofsson on paper. So I give him the edge. That means in the end this is either an edge to Boston or if Krebs is slightly better a draw

    ZEMGUS GIRGENSONS - TYSON JOST - KYLE OKPOSO /// MILAN LUCIC - PATRICK BROWN - OSKAR STEEN

    Lucic is slow as crap. I am giving the edge to Zemgus here who at least can still get up and down the ice even with his rock hands. I think Jost can be better than Brown and I would expect him to be. If Krebs somehow ended up in this spot I 100% think krebs is better. Steen v Okposo... Well Steen could be good but I gotta trust Okposo here and I would trust Rousek over Steen too. I think our 4th line just offers more than Bostons. 

    Offensively I think the 1st lines and 3rd lines are close. I think our 2nd line will be far better than Bostons and our 4th line will be better. Overall, the age and growth potential is better for Buffalo and they aren't adding in a bunch of newbies they hope gain instant chemistry. I think Buffalo will manage to out offense Boston. 

    Defense

    MATTIAS SAMUELSSON - RASMUS DAHLIN /// MATT GRZELCYK - CHARLIE MCAVOY

    Grzelcyk is better than Muel. Sorry but it is true, they play differently but Boston has the edge there and I am unsure if Muel is good enough to close that gap. Now that brings us to McAvoy v. Dahlin. Dahlin smokes him offensively and I will say right now that Dahlin has not hit his offensive peak. McAvoy edged Dahlin defensively although that gap has narrowed significantly in the last year. I know some will flip out but the edge goes to Dahlin. He is just too Dynamic on offense and even though the Krueger Dahlin is still stuck in everyone from fans to voters brains, he is dam good defensively as well. McAvoy though is only a hair below here so overall the first pair goes to Boston. 

    OWEN POWER - CONNOR CLIFTON /// HAMPUS LINDHOLM - BRANDON CARLO

    Power will be better than Lindholm. There I said it. However right now the edge goes to Lindholm and might for a full nother season. Power could have a major glow up though and catch him but for now Lindholm is a full step above. Carlo v Clifton is different. I think Clifton will be better in an elevated role with Power and I have stated that regularly. I think Carlo is good though and so I am giving this a tie. I think Clifton is going to click with Power and it will be good. Carlo is better defensively so again it is the offense v defense thing again so I will call it a tie. That means that pairing 2 goes to Boston as well at least for 1 more year. I think Power will surpass things. 

    ILYA LYUBUSHKIN - ERIK JOHNSON /// DEREK FORBORT - KEVIN SHATTENKIRK

    Lyubshkin or Joker, I think both are better than Forbort. It just isn't that close to me but maybe I just haven't watched Forbort enough. Shattenkirk hasn't been very good for a couple of years but also Anaheim sucks. Johnson was bad last year but pretty good before that. Hmm what do I do here? I will call it a tie for now but I as always have more faith in Buffalo than out. Either way, I would give the 3rd pair to Buffalo with a slight edge. 

    Boston's defense is really solid even with their losses. That top pair is pretty good even though I think Dahlin will surpass McAvoy if he has not already (I think he did) and we gotta hope that Muel will continue to improve. The 2nd pair I think all comes down to what Owen Power will be this year and that's a tough question. I think our 2nd pair is a notch below Bostons as we sit here in summer. Our 3rd pair IMPO is better. I also feel better about the depth on our 3rd pair. 

     

    Conclusion: Buffalo's forward core is deeper and more talented. I do agree with Granato that offense is harder than defense. I think because of the loss of 2 of their top 6, Boston will have issues throughout the year compensating. Buffalo on the other hand will only get stronger offensively as the year goes on. Kulich and Quinn are only going to get closer to Buffalo. Once April hits, Benson, Savoie, maybe Östlund become options if injuries appear. There is just so much talent coming and Boston really can't say the same. Defensively Boston is ahead and it might last for a couple of years. I think Novikov and Power are the wild cards. If they both elevate their games by next year Buffalo can be better on defense. This year though, I think Boston is better but it is closer with the loss of Orlov and Clifton and the additions of year 2 power and Clifton. All in all I think Buffalo has more potential this year to be better than Boston. Boston though is a veteran team so they know how to win and have a good defense and goaltending tandem. In the end, I might lean towards Boston as being better but think the gap is far closer now than it was last year. Depends on how much regression occurs in Buffalo's scoring versus how much growth from the young guns we get compared to how quickly Boston comes together and if they can somehow not fall off the age cliff. I guess we shall see but I don't view Boston as the juggernaut they were. They remind me a lot of 2007 Buffalo Sabres where Briere and Drury left and the bottom dropped. 

    There's a lot here and I have only so much time on this planet--but it's a VERY thorough analysis and it was a great read.  It deserves a better response than I can give.

    Rather than go on and on about things we agree upon, I'll hit the differences:

    1F (I'm using this for forward lines and I'll use 1D for pairings):  All of this presumes the absence of Kreijci (is that how that Scrabble name is spelled?), but let's proceed with that hypothesis.  Skinner is more than a step behind the Rat.  Pastrnak is the most valuable forward among BOTH lines, even if Thompson repeats himself.  I'd say that Boston's 1F is a couple of increments better than Buffalo's.

    2F  When Peterka establishes himself as better than van Riemsdyk, I'll give him credit for it.  He hasn't yet and shouldn't be presumed to do so.  Cozens is my favorite young Sabre forward, but Charlie Coyle is somethin' else.  If they were the same age, I'd trade Coz for Coyle in a second.  You know my feelings on Mitts; if he can keep his progression, I'll lay off, but from what I've seen historically (more than just 2023), I have to go with DeBrusk. Boston 2F is an increment or two above Buffalo.

    3F  This is a very interesting one.  The way you have the lines constructed, I am inclined to agree that it's somewhat close to a draw.  If Boston shifts *****face--I mean Lucic--up to this line, then I think their thug is better than our thug.  On the other hand, does Oloffson really play with Krebs and Greenway?  I don't see that.  He needs to be set up, and Krebs (hopefully future Peca) and Greenway (hitter not carrier) aren't going to do that.  1 increment for Boston.

    4F  What I love about Buffalo's fourth line is that it isn't a pure "energy" or "checking" or "thug" line, even as it was in 2006.  Instead, it's composed of defensively-responsible forwards who can slow a game down and kill the other team's momentum.  In other words, it's exactly what a "third line" was in the late 90s and early 00s. I rate this line two increments above Boston's bully line.  Maybe even three, because Buffalo's can actually play hockey.

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    1D  I don't think that Grelczyk is so much better than Samuelsson that it overcomes Dahlin's dominance.  Dahlin is that freaking good and Samuelsson is close enough to Grel.  McAvoy is good, too, but he's only so good.  I'm giving a +1 to Buffalo here.

    2D  The first thing is, I still think Granato should and will start out the year with a Power-Johnson pair.  But let's look at your construction rather than mine.  I think Power can take another stop forward (but part of the reason I think that is because I see Johnson with him, I admit); I see this as a wash at worst and maybe even another increment for Buffalo.

    3D.  Again, accepting your pairings, I think Boston is a step up here.  

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    Goalies:  Covered in my post upthread.  Because of the importance of the position, this is four increments in Boston's favor.

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    My conclusion is that Boston's roster is ahead of Buffalo's, by three-and-a-half Eleven increments, even if Krqbsi retires.

  20. A little NHL trivia...

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    12 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

    Who was the first goaltender to wear Number 28 for the Sabres?

     

    What Sabres forward was named to the NHL‘s all rookie team in 2019-2020?

    Guessing Sauve and Thompson.

    And... I'm wrong, at least on the first one.

  22. Looking at the Atlantic Division

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    1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

    Should compare the Bruins roster side by side with Sabres. See how they stack up.

    I'll start:  G:  Levi/Comrie/UPL against Ullmark/Swayman:  Even though the Sabres have the higher potential long-term upside, it's tough to argue that the Bruins don't have a huge edge here.  Ullmark holds the Vezina right now, and Swayman would start on countless NHL teams, probably including the Sabres.  Since the goaltender is the only player capable of playing all 60 minutes and has the most impact on a team's record, it is easy to conclude that this critical difference outweighs any edge the Sabres might have at first defense pairing or second forward line, for example.

    I'd love to see different posters put the Sabres' three pairs against the Bruins' three and the Sabres four lines against their four, but I think that the goaltender position alone will lead me to the conclusion that Boston still has the better roster.

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  25. The other sports thread

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    This installment of the USWNT can't finish and leaves the center of the backfield way too open.  Vietnam should have been a 6-0 win.  This should be a 1-0 lead.  Way too much concern about being fouled and not enough action.  We need to make changes right now (at half) or risk losing this and the next game, too.  Yeah, I know about the injuries to Sauerbrunn, Mewis, Press, Pugh, etc.  Still.  And if Lavelle is healthy, why is she on the bench tonight?

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