Patty16
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If this Helen St James chick thinks he's gone on a 5 mill offer from Buff, this 6 mill plus reporting has got to seal the deal right? RIGHT?
Not arguing, but where did you see this? I missed it.
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Teams overpay guys all the time. But I think it's safe to look at benchmark contracts like Toews/Kane (most recent "mega-delas") and consider the value of other contracts relative to them. Are we really gonna say RoR is only $2 mil/year less than Toews, who is easily a top 3 center in the league when we don't even have RoR going in the top 15 in centers in the superdraft?
I agree for the type of player RoR is we don't need to overpay for that.
But Toews/Kane recent deals pay them 13.8M once it kicks in. way more than ROR
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If you are Colorado and the main piece of a ROR deal is Zadorov/Pysyk, then how fast do you hang up the phone?
Again is he a top 30 forward in the league or isn't he?
He is not. And no one inside hockey thinks he is.
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Good to know.
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Babcock still wants a decision by Wednesday:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/37354/babcock-aiming-at-making-coaching-decision-by-wednesday
LeBrun says he thinks it's Buffalo or Detroit.
Barnaby said he has heard Buffalo is a done deal............but that he doesn't trust his source.
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It's a coaches job to make his players better. Every player can get better, the degree of which obviously varies but for our team it is dramatic considering our youth. Babcock has shown he can continuously take young talent and turn them into stars.
I agree re Babcock. I don't think you can exclude Bylsma based on youth development.
A great coach should be the top priority
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Not really able to look up all of Pittsburgh's prospects who were projected to be NHL players, so I'll have to offer a range check on that.
Bylsma to me is the ultimate example of just another guy. I don't think he makes his teams worse, but I don't see any value added either. I can't think of a team he's coached that exceeded expectations. With good players he'll be okay, but that's it.
I also think it's telling that Peter DeBoer, he of one career playoff appearance, is generating more head coaching interest than Cup winner Bylsma.
Well that definition would eliminate almost any coach.
Not to be crass but he did win the Jack Adams trophy for taking a team w/o Crosby OR Malkin to the playoffs (they tied for most points in division but lost tiebreaker).
He's considered a really good coach in hockey circles.
Considering our team, I don't think we are.
You are. Who are developmental coaches? It's silly nonsense. All coaches work with young players.
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Staal and Orpik were already developed when Bylsma took over.
They had their best years under him. Staal became a Selke level player under him. Letang became a stud under his watch too. Who did he not develop?
I'm not on the Bylsma boat, but people are putting wayyyy too much into player development
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who did he fail to develop?
Jordan Staal certainly grew under his watch.
Brooks Orpik had his best years too.
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I want hard-hitting quotes before I get excited. It could have just gone to voicemail.
Thank you for the link though. It really is a defining week for the stellar Buffalo sports print media. Did you see the headline from Harrington?
"Sabres Hot to Grab Babcock"
Maybe next week we will see, "Richardson Seen as Young, Backdoor Candidate for Sabres
Brass""open slot"
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I think my issue was more mental.
He had grown up always being so much better than everyone around him that his overwhelming talent would allow him to be successful. When he got drafted and was thrust into the NHL, he still carried that "I'm more talented than everyone else" mindset, which made him look disengaged on the ice. The last few years I think he is starting to understand that the NHL is a totally different game, and you need to be engaged and focused at all times to get a chance to show your talent. Yes, he grew into his body a bit, but his first few years he sort of expected the puck to come to him whereas last year he was more actively pursuing and making the puck come to him.
well said.
I think what will certianly help his development is the arrival of a top center so he won't be pressured in to thinking he needs to be a top line guy. He still needs some physical maturity and strengthening to be able to play regularly at this level.
He def has the hands and vision, but without some significant improvement in his skating and strength, and/or playing with awesome wingers he's not gonna be a top 6 player
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I disagree...
Would Mogilny have scored 76 goals that season if LaFontaine was not his center? He averaged a goal a game that season (77 games)
Or would he stayed closer to his season average of 20-30 goals?
A good player can only do so much on their own, but if you surround them with equally good players they can become great.
If Grigorenko is making plays and setting up players for goals, then those players start drawing attention away from him which will allow him to get into the shooting lanes.
I just feel it was a maturity issue at the beginning of his career and then he got lumped into the dog house.
Will be great to see how he performs with a new head coach that will allow him an equal opertunity with another good player or two on his line, instead of trying to work up out of the dog house.
Mogilny played wing, so yes wings do play better when they have a HOF center. so they 16/89 thing really doesn't fit this scenario.
Girgo is a center, and they are generally supposed to make the players around them better. That's why you hear why it's so important to be strong up the middle of the ice.
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Or Reinhart, Grigorenko needs skilled players around him.
that's a cop out, if you're that good you make your own chances. Or you really aren't a top center.
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I think Detroit has said that it wants to use its exclusive negotiation period until July 1.
The latest I could find was Holland saying yesterday he will hopefully know by end of the month (may)
Holland said he would "give myself the month of May and hope it's concluded by then — or close to it." He leaves Saturday for the Czech Republic to catch the world championships.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2015/05/04/mike-babcock-detroit-red-wings/26885519/
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Worse is he isn't even getting permission to talk to other teams untill July 1st. Don't know if we can afford to wait so long.
where is that coming from ? He's under contract until then, but the RWs can certainly let him talk if he doesn't want to stay there
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I don't know Mike Babcock, but to me he appears to have way too many smarts to get involved with an organization like the one the Sabres have become. Too much kookiness going on, too much subterfuge. Just like the GM hire, the Sabres will wind up with a first-timer NHL coach. And not necessarily a good one. Sorry, folks. I don't share the sunny optimism about this ownership regime that just about everyone else has. I've been around the block too many times and heard all the promises before. I hope I'm way wrong, but I don't think so....
Well when you use words like subterfuge and regime you don't strike me as one who views the organization objectively.
How exactly has there been subterfuge?
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While I look forward to Eichel starting for the Sabres, hopefully next year, the team can be potentially far better off in the long term if he stays in school. It would allow each of the Sabres young centers to play "up" a line, giving Samson a year as #1 to see what he can bring when he plays with the best. It would also allow more time to see where Girgs, Grigo and Larsson belong (which line, and who might be moved to a wing). Sort all that out next year perhaps and then bring in JFE ((Jack F-n' Eichel) as the final ingredient to make a playoff run.
Based on what I've seen this year, theres absolutely no way SR is the #1 center next year,
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Call me a Buffalo sports pessimist, but I'll be happy only when I see him in a Sabres uniform. For that to happen he needs to actually be drafted by the Sabres (not yet a done deal), and he needs to leave BU. Who knows what maneuvering there will be before the draft, or what Eichel is thinking about in terms of staying at BU or not?
same here, as a fan watching two horrible seasons it would really suck to have him stay in school. Yes I get the long term picture but also i want to be able to watch a hockey team grow, with most prospects on the big club. I really think he has less than a 10% chance of staying in school.
He is on a diff physical level than other prospects who have returned to NCAA
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No but I suspect Terry won't go crazy to get him. And remember Terry's "no emperor" statement at the LaFontaine presser along with his many statements about no monopoly on hockey IQ in the front office and the famous flat management structure. Not sure how Babcock (not to mention Babcock making filthy money while GMTM clearly shops at Goodwill) really works here.
Many coaches make more than GMs, big deal. GMTM seems to be a guy who cares about winning, not his bank account.
If there was ever one individual to spend crazy on, I believe that to be Babcock. In my opinion, I think he is the best coach out there. This next coaching hire is more critical than getting Eichel because this team is ready to roll for quite some time.
Yup.
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I don't think this is a case where Terry's money is going to make the difference. Toronto and others could match him if there's some kind of crazy bidding war. Unless Babcock is all about the money — and would that be someone you'd want? — he's going to weigh a lot of factors.
As for Terry being willing to spend freely, does past performance guarantee future results? He sure didn't break the bank for a general manager to lead a critical rebuild. Terry once said he knew he would have to spend some money to get things working the way he wants. Have we reached that point? And while Terry may want to spend liberally, he does have business advisors like Ted Black who sometimes get their way. Terry said he didn't want to raise ticket prices that first year, but they went up. Ted has also talked about needing to be financially responsible to some mythical future owner (no assumption that Terry's money would be around forever; presumably meaning that someone else would own the team — or could it mean Terry would own the team but be more Golisano-like.
This line jumped out at me in TSN's "offseason game plan" piece:
http://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-buffalo-sabres-1.267947
Is it a fair assumption? The parenthetical note might suggest Terry learned some lesson about not being able to buy a winning team.
How do you know Black gets his way on anything?
Yes TP knows spending does not equal winning, but spending wisely certainly helps.
I hope you are not attempting to say that spending for Babcock would be a bad move?
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gaoltender equipment and an aversion to PP's is what's the driving force. players are too big and too fast so there is less room on the ice especially if refs are going to let interference etc go.
That and its really hard to score on a 6'5 goalie with giant pads.
I'm not so sure. They're not the NFL.
I can't recall what precipitated the changes going into the 2005-2006 season. There needs to be a similar sense of urgency now.
There was a sense the game was still too much like the trap/clutch and grab devils.... they wanted some excitement and an up and down game for more scoring.
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As someone who sits in the lower bowl -- row 4-- maybe some people down there are like that, but that doesn't speak to me. I sit there because although seeing the play develop is a little more challenging, seeing someone get jacked into the boards is incredible. The action is awesome! Don't get me wrong, I can still see the play develop, just not as easily as someone looking down on the play.
Now, I need to go so that I can make sure my landscaper is putting in the correct shrubs this year, and I need to call our nanny. I wish my Mercedes had a better hands-free device, but I will be at my mansion soon enough.
I will defend that this behavior exists. Pisses me off that it's even an issue. I mentioned the a-hole Sabres fan that was upset when the "Let's Go Buffalo" chant got going at the last game. The kicker is that if you continue to disrupt someone's game day experience, security views you as the problem, not the stiff who refuses to get out their seat and enjoy the game.
Yea i don't think income has anything to do with it.... after all the sabres are in the middle of the league when it comes to ticket prices. I think the arena itself doens't lend itself to sounding loud ie winnipeg or the aud.
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Then Pegula should spit in their face, since they spread out the odds further this year in part to spite the Sabres. As I said in the lottery thread itself: it's a terrible outcome for the league, and the league is 100% responsible for it, and that actually makes me pretty happy.
True. Not a good outcome for the league, it buries one of their "to-be" stars in a small Canadian city in a bad tv market.
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Kane has serious speed.
Yea he does, but doesn't he go on 1st line?
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That and because he's really a two way forward and not a scoring winger per se. Fantasy draft status has no actual value when assessing a player's value to a team.
O reilly was a 4th line player on Team Canada at IIHF and that's without it's best players showing up to the tourney.
He's not a top line center on most teams. I do like him as a 2 or 3 guy but not at $8M which i saw he was looking for