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C'mon, Eleven. Where is the reach? I heard that Terry uses the losses of running Sabres to put him in a lower tax bracket so that his take home pay is actually higher.

While I enjoy this thread and find it fun and interesting, I have to believe that most teams have a list like this night in night out, no? I mean, every team has future NHLers that should be dominating in the leagues they are playing in. I really don't mean to piss in the bowl of cheerios, but it's hard to tell what this means or get excited about it until we see how our list compares to the other 31 teams' lists.

They aren't obligated to own the team, so the question is somewhat irrelevant.

Pretty sure he only got around $17-18 million for it, though. They lose like $20 million as soon as you drive them off the lot.

I’m unclear on what I am supposed to be pissed about in this thread.

The “n” in prune puts your tongue on the roof of your mouth, pre-setting it for the “j” in juice, and you don’t have to stop the vocalization during the “n” to “j” transition (fun fact: “j” sound is just “ch” with a vocalization, just like b/p, v/f, d/t, g/k, there may be others.) When saying plum juice, after the “p” you have to close your lips a second time for the “m” with your tongue resting, then time the tongue hitting the roof of your mouth for the “j”, while using your diaphragm to pause the vocalization slightly (for some reason, continuing the vocalization sounds weird through the “m” to “j” transition.) I should have just said that “prune juice” is just easier to say.

What does selection bias have to do with two guys in their fifth and seventh years fighting for a puck in the corner? Seems weird.

Yes. but I don't care that much to post a bunch of links, but here's this. https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/nhl/teams-physical-stats/2020-2021 Click on weight.

They are actually heavier. And I don’t care about hits. Hits are a dumb stat (although, I would be thrilled if we came out on top every game. 😂) That series was pretty even. We were definitely outclassed in the following Ottawa ECF, though.

Another thing that skews this argument and almost makes it irrelevant is why do I care what the data across the entire nhl on individual players is year over year? I really don’t care. It’s a team sport. Do I really care that Johnny Goodrow scores a ton of goals but can’t get out of the first round. I don’t care about size and it’s effects on bad teams. What does the data say about the top third of teams, and more specifically the top 4 teams? We made it there twice in the past twenty years and got outphysicalled (sorry, that’s a horrible made-up word) both times. The top teams are almost always on the heavier end of the spectrum.

Yep. And it's even more pronounced in the playoffs. It's why I'd rather have a team that is good and big, instead of just good.

That's kinda my point about you mentioning Kucherov. You are cherrypicking, and you ignore everyone's comebacks so why bother. No response to my Tage question? And we all know why the Sabres suck. It's not their size.

Curious that you didn’t mention the Conn Smythe winner to make your point.

I'll just throw this pack of firecrackers into the room. All things being equal: hands, speed, vision, skating,... would Tage thompson be as affective if he was 6'? For the record, I don't think size makes that much of a difference in the regular season, but Newton's laws of motion absolutely come into to play a lot more in the playoffs.

When was height debunked? I know you are trying to use a “moving the goalposts” argument, but the title of the thread says it’s about size, of which both height and weight are a factor. I know nobody is going to convince you of anything so I’m not going to try. The better teams at the end of the SC playoffs are usually on the heavier end of the spectrum. Take from that what you want. And to further show you where I stand on this, for as small and speedy as Jacob Bryson is, I find him to be an incredibly physical player who uses his body really well. With that said, I thought last night was the first time I saw his size come in to play and he was losing battles because of it,… maybe, he may have just been having a bad night.

It’s also only about individual players and not team size. St Louis was the heaviest team by toi the year they won. Tampa and Dallas were in the top 4 heaviest teams (iirc). I hate these all or nothing arguments. Size matters when it matters and yes smaller players can be really good at hockey. An article that starts off using the greatest ever small player to make its point loses me from the start.

We've had the leads in those games. When both team rolled all four lines, we could keep up and even take advantage of their lower lines. I think in the third, though, the other teams shortend their bench and got the last change. Our best guys couldn't keep up with their best guys because they have more of them (and better.) It seemed like Carter, Letang, and Crosby played the entire third period. That's my take, anyway.

How is a 20 yo who has played only 56 games not a prospect? Is it because we know he’s going to be good?

The Sabres played some really good hockey at times today. The Penguins played some even better hockey at times today. The Sabres won. ***** the Penguins. I love hockey.

They didn't panic. The other team shortened their bench and put way more talent on the ice than we possibly imagine to put out there right now. Granato's system beat their talent. I'm just as surprised as you are. That was a GD fun game to watch.

What was Crosby's TOI in the third? It seemed like he was out there every shift. Letang (that's French for The Tang), too. You know they don't have as much talent as their opponents, right? The fact that they had a lead at all should be "the lead."

Awesome.

That was awesome!!!!

Tage.

Would you stop.