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    Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation

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    6 minutes ago, Hoss said:

    The Sabres are the bad guys here. That can be okay if you’re into “winning at all costs” (even though this team won’t be winning any time soon). They have someone who wants to get treatment for a serious injury and serious pain he’s dealing with and they’re refusing to let it happen. They’re demanding that he get a treatment he is not comfortable with and therefore prolonging the pain and injury. There’s no other way to see that, in my opinion, than the Sabres are the bad guys. It’s immoral. But it’s also standard practice in sports.

    There are no bad guys here, man. It's just a bad situation. Jack can get that treatment anytime he wants, the Sabres aren't stopping him from doing it. His desire to continue having this particular NHL contract is the only impediment. If the surgery is so important he should just take the boatloads of money he's already made and get on with things. 

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  18. Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation

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    18 minutes ago, K-9 said:

    Good luck with that as one of the major issues regarding cervical ADR performed on anyone, let alone athletes in contact sports, let alone hockey players, is the lack of data relative to outcomes, especially long term. It’s just too relatively new of a procedure to have established the necessary body of information required. Which is also one of the reasons many insurance companies won’t cover the procedure. 

    The same “evidence backing their contention” has been available to them the entire time. So has the evidence suggesting that fusion is the better option. I doubt the majority medical opinion has shifted in the six months since Eichel’s injury.

    I wonder if the approach isn't so much to argue the merits of ADR as it is to try to show that there is a history of experimental surgeries having taken place in the NHL that would have been considered of similar uncertainty to ADR at the time they were employed. Prove that the Sabres caution over the ADR is out of line with league medical practices over the last, I dunno, let's say 20 years or something. 

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  19. Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation

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    5 minutes ago, dudacek said:

    He mentioned emphasizing two points:

    • The rule is not in place to block players from getting reasonable treatment.
    • Brisson's team is collecting evidence backing their contention ADR is reasonable treatment.

    If they can put together a case that actually succeeds in the grievance, then I think that greatly benefits the Sabres, no? Wouldn't it basically solve all their issues with respect to stuff like insurance? Wouldn't it assuage some of the concerns other teams have too?

    If anything doesn't this improve Adams position and increase Eichel's value? 

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  22. Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation

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    4 minutes ago, dudacek said:

    Friedman talking Jack right now on Marek's show.

    He says what many on here have been saying: "Jack's agents are trying to ratchet up the pressure"

    He also says the Sabres are pushing back; that's the genesis of the Risto reference, and Adams' repeated mentions of pressure points: to get the message out that Eichel will be flipped when the Sabres get what they think is value, not before.

    And he reiterated his sense that the Eichel camp is working hard to create the groundwork for a grievance.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the "groundwork for a grievance" is basically just "build and present this case to the league and players association and we'll figure something out". 

  24. Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation

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    7 minutes ago, dudacek said:

    I'm just relaying what I heard.

    Friedman and Marek said the NHL has signed one-off deals from time to time that specifically state they cannot be used a precedent in any future case.

    League sources seem to be more sympathetic to the situation than Sabrespace and perhaps more cognizant of PR, legal and future CBA costs an ugly standoff here could spark.

    Couple that with more info about ADR and maybe some are thinking that a partnership underwriting the surgery is less risky than the alternative.

    Just speculating.

    I think you're close to the mark on this. I expect that when something finally gets done it's going to be...a special situation. 

  25. Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation

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    35 minutes ago, Digger said:

    Yes I love the developing chemistry with the team but we need to make the trade to move on from Eichel.  @darksabre mentioned above that Quick would be the easiest cap dump to come back in goal.  I'm not sure what else would fit because Quick might not be enough to cover the cap but maybe we just take someone like Olie Matta (because we really need more LD.............not).

    I'm making the assumption that this trade doesn't happen until the offseason, fwiw 

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