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Adams perks up... then slumps back in his chair... mumbles "we don't have a 2nd in 2026 to trade for him"

You don’t think that our GM is aware of the contract range that the player will be seeking? Do you not have a basic understanding of the financial limitations the owner has placed on the GM? If you don’t believe that then what has been going on for the past number of years? If you believe that there is more than 1%chance of this player coming here when he has options then your world of reality is not the same as mine.

I think we produced enough offense last year, we however had awful gt and bad team defense so it didnt matter. because we don't

Ok we don’t need to replace 27 goals from JJ That’s not a sticking point for me

No, you've been tossing out "okay kevyn" type of comments for quite a bit. Didn't tell you to stop either, just said it was a weak counter argument.

The biggest thing I can say is “replacing what we had” is like….the furthest way from how I’d be approaching the roster. All I can do is maintain consistency of argument and I’ve been saying we are drastically in need of upgrades at all positions since the season ended. I think we really needed help up top before we dealt JJ

G/60 should be the ideal stat to use for Norris, except ... he's had one season at 66 games, and that was an anomaly. His typical high is mid-50s. 3,8,50,56,56,66. We must not assume he stays healthy enough to get to 25G. Benson is the playmaker that none of the others is. He's a high-danger generation machine -- and someday he's going to make Kulich (or Norris) rich. The problem with a shoot-only center like Norris or Kulich is that there's no subterfuge, no shot-pass back to the winger for a tap-in. The 2 primary assists stat on Norris is absurd. I mean -- someone would get a deflection on occasion, right? Goal goes in off a leg or a skate? That's a cool trivia stat, right there. Edit: Note, Norris already is rich.

The other thing to consider in the way the Sabres are built at the moment is that they have 3 elite passers on the blueline that other teams don’t have. They’re kinda built like a basketball team where the centre’s role is to defend and finish and the guys at the back are in charge of distributing.

Oh no, Kevyn Adams had the same thought I did!?! Whatever shall I do!? I am sure he has, my question isn't did I have the same thought as adams, it is how right is that thought. Again, it isn't about being right for me, it is about getting it right. Saying we need to replace 27g from JJ Peterka is not getting it right.

I haven’t “been any way for months” my guy you are fighting with multiple people in multiple threads at all times haha. I enjoy discussing with you but you don’t with me - just ignore my posts - the ignore is right there. I’m not going to change and I like you so it’s going to have to be on you

He’s not that great anymore

Based on his target trade board. The guy is buying out of the clearance rack at Goodwill Sir.

Tarasenko to the Wild for Future Considerations

I am not saying that we shouldn't add more to the offense or anything like that. I am saying I think anyone simply saying we have to replace "27g" because of JJ Peterka isn't looking at all the nuances of things. It is an oversimplified way of discussing it and I think the real number is more like 10-15g.

I feel like Benson is a playmaker outright unlike the others mentioned No, I’m serious. You are explaining the exact thinking Adams must be using on the forwards. How can you be offended by that? You don’t think you are hitting on the reasons he’s using to explain it to himself? Do you think he’s just randomly throwing it together and you are coming up with reasons it could work he didn’t think of?

Speaking of which, wonder just how much of standing pat at the trade deadline 2 years ago (edit, eh, 3 years now actually) was Granato believing he had what they needed in the room, Pegula not wanting to spend any more than he already'd agreed to, and Adams not wanting to lose any of his precious prospects? Expecting it was most likely most heavily Donny's beief in his room that led to that. And he was literally 2 goals from the trade deadline on away from being right. 2 more goals in any game they lost in regulation by 1 goal and he was right and the whole trajectory of how things are going and viewed changes. Of course, make an adjustment to something that happened that's that small and maybe Teddy Roosevelt never becomes President. Wonder if Granato ever says, yeah, we should've finalized that offer of x and a lottery protected 1st for y. Should've bought in on that one. We were THAT friggin' close.

This is getting old Thorny. Whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out this little childish barb that they are in line with or in agreement with or as dumb as Kevyn Adams. I don't see it like kev and your dismissive tone here is kinda how you've been around here for months. If ppl don't see it your way, they are dumb kevyn adams lovers. It's weak sauce.

Alex Tuch and Tage Thompson aren’t playmakers in the Dale Hawerchuk/Tim Connolly sense that they look to pass, but they are in the sense that they get the puck up ice and to the net and they create space and opportunity others can exploit. Peterka was the same way Zach Benson and Jack Quinn aren’t there yet, but they have that skillset. Norris and Kulich need those types of wingers to be successful, but the flip side is that they do complement those types of wingers.

“Norris will be fine” does seem to be the crux of their thinking

Peterka is good at one thing we should be concerned about, it isn't shooting. Peterka was very good at bringing the puck up ice into the offensive zone. It is probably a contributing factor to his 2nd assist totals.

Bryam and a 2026 second and third for Byfield, don’t give two shits about losing picks!

Imagine playing more than an 82 game season and having 2 primary assists lol I wish I could see it like you and Kev I really do

You using averages that don't account for games played in the years you are talking about is a major issue in this analysis. But yea, I don't worry about the playmaking part of things. I think between the defense and the rest of the forwards Norris will be fine and Tage already has improved his playmaking over the years. Cozens was SO BAD defensively that any playmaking we lose with him gone is made up for by having even an average defensive forward.

I know dude but you can’t just ignore the playmaking in totality which you completely did in you’re initial write up - no mention of it when Norris was supposedly replacing cozens AND jj’s offence - think of what you are saying. It can’t be made out a a negligent factor when it’s a severe weakness of Norris. It’s particularly egregious to not mention it when 24 goals represents 9 more than his career average I think we can agree that’s no sure thing Desperate need for a facilitator I’m having to remind myself of Benson just to cheer myself up! A kid!