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All managers have to get their owners to sign off on deals - the argument has never been that the GM needs free reign it’s that they can construct a plan that shows results to the tune of them actually building up sway and confidence with regards to the owner - so many fail to grasp that in these relationships the manager ALWAYS knows more about hockey than the owner, one of the biggest components of a GMs job is in fact massaging thst relationship the idea that I have to explain how someone as demonstrably and obviously a communicator as Adams might struggle with this after 6 years is sort of astounding. I mean I legitimately can’t believe I’m wasting time arguing online how how Kevyn Adams should be fired

Bingo.....he just needs a foil for his own argument. "Its the old....if someone isn't agreeing with me, pretend they are disagreeing with me so I can make my own point even louder and pat myself on the back for it." I'm not openly supporting Adams....I have said over and over Pegula is my main problem. But for some reason he feels the need to pretend that people are supporting Adams if they seemingly like any of his posts where he is demanding he be fired. 🤷‍♂️

From what I can tell over the last few months of reading posts here I do not get the impression posters like Pimlach, myself, MJD, and others are saying Adams does not deserve to be fired. It does seems to me that many of us are not dying on that hill alone as we think Terry Pegula is as much of a problem if not more. In the recent posts in this thread it seems like you are arguing a point vs them and myself that we are not making.

Why would Alex sign here. What a waste of a career in Buffalo

I call my own shot on it because no one else will - I posted at length regarding how any why this would fail 5 years ago and it happened exactly. Look back to the Eichel posts. When I was on an island. its not my fault you are constantly on the other side. I truly do not care about your fortune cookie “those who give themselves credit” nonsense. The receipts are there

Tim Murray was doing an A++ job until he traded for Lehner. I wish we still had that team.

Trade Quinn bring up Helenius and Östlund... sit a jag.

What about that line from the Jokihajru (sp) trade where an anonymous source was like “Adams had to call Terry for clearance on this deal — what are we doing in Buffalo, folks.”

How many on the roster want out? Can’t get any worse getting traded somewhere else

The words you used are “management group”, not “managers”. You said the didn’t add to the management group The receipts are there While Stahl is an entry level guy, Jarmo is not. He is clearly part of the executive level, he attends the executive level meetings you see on imbedded. So the Sabres added to the “management group” and you are wrong. You do not have to have a manager title to work in the “management group” or to be an executive. You know better, you just won’t admit it

The island is people that don’t believe Adams deserves to be fired.

Pump yourself up a little more. You need it. I'd also like to see the itemized list of all the things you are correct about vs your scorecard vs the other posters on this forum (I'm guessing its not tru)....as I have genrally found out in life that people who need to give themselves credit pubicly and say how good they are....are the ones that least often deserve it.

The team looks they don’t give two fuks. Ever worked for a boss who you didn’t respect. Maybe the players don’t care about management

“Terry over meddles” is a narrative from 3 years ago. He’s generally absentee - the issue isn’t that he’s micromanaging, it’s that he leaves Adams to his own devices without adequate support both financial and otherwise

I’ve been right about the team over the last 5 years more than any other poster by far, sorry, but it’s a fact If I have one, incredibly salient and accurate point, you have none

I think Adams is just doing Stahl a favor to get some (however bad in this case) experience into the operations side of hockey. An apprenticeship of sorts.

I think Adams is an issue, he has made some bad decisions. It is also obvious in my mind Pegula is the ultimate problem and he pulls a lot of strings behind the scenes as many others have pointed out. Judging by some of the above comments, that better be a big island because there are many of us who feel the same.

fu.k outta here with the poster slap fights. the team stinks out loud.

No, that pegula is the biggest problem is obvious and is neither here nor there wrt my point

I have said that all along but according to Thorny, I'm on an island. Better make sure you don't keep on saying that or you'll get banished to my island with me.

Can’t blame a player, it’s the GM who iced the roster cant blame the GM, it’s the owner who hired them can’t blame the owner, it’s his parents that birthed him lol enough. You still attempt to improve. At the highest level you can. Terry OWNS the team. Assuming that’s the case, you still expect him to try again at GM. Just like you expect a GM to address a roster that has holes (of that GM’s making!) ”there’s no use trying to improve the roster, the GM in the past failed when doing so so don’t try again” - it’s just an absurd line of thought that Terry should fire Adams because he’s done a terrible job isn’t an opinion it’s the only logical stance possible

Pegula making money with the Sabres? I can’t figure why he doesn’t get it

I have said a few times recently I'm OK with Adams getting fired. So I'm on an island saying Pegula is the biggest problem? No one else thinks that, just me? Change your screename to "Agenda", you ae a walking, talking one. You have basically one point about this team and you twist others words to fit it.

I agree with most everything here especially about the fact this team is a bunch of mental pu$$ies...and please do not let Adams make trades... except blow it up... the FO needs to be blow up first... if there is any hope Pegula will have finally understood he is an abject moron and has destroyed a generation of hockey fans and hockey joy for an entire region in very quick fashion... and hires a real hockey pro to come in and blow it up for him... in the absence of this... there is literally no hope... none ... fire adams and make Jarmo and stahl gm and ass gm and promoting Appert to coach does zero

I remember a quote from Terry (or possibly at that time it was Kim when she was still involved) that had them saying they felt the mistake they'd made (for that season) was listening to or trusting the "hockey people" too much and a short while after that we got yes man Adams and all the great decisions we have gotten. Since then we've also seen video with behind the scenes stuff and Terry on the phone or in the meeting and talk that he's "involved" or "cares" as they spin it. "No real point in arguing it in my opinion, it seems kind of obvious who is in charge.