Crazy we are in last place in the division but 6 points out of first with 2 games in hand

[Believer]

11 minutes ago, HILLsabre said:

And if you're counting Norris as "the Team", and part of the solution "fixed" at center position, you're not going to see much of " the Team" this season. Imo one of the most rediculous trades in franchise history...

Norris is a bust. Said it from Game 1 when he went down.

He can prove me wrong by coming back next week, staying healthy and playing the remaining regular season games, and scoring 25+ goals.

Will be happy to apologize to him as I have to Samuelson.

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, inkman said:

They are doing no such thing with UPL. In Terry & Kevyn’s weird brains, UPL “makes a lot of money” so he’s going to be their starter results be damned.  First and foremost, this organization’s priority is save $$$$ wherever possible. 

 

3 hours ago, Sidc3000 said:

 

the goalie who needs to be concerned is Levi. Ellis is playing himself into being on the Sabres long term. I have a feeling if any goalie gets traded, it’s Levi. 

If you are trying to trade a player, wouldn't you play them some to showcase them?

[Taro T]

30 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

If you are trying to trade a player, wouldn't you play them some to showcase them?

Depends on whether playing him is likely to raise or lower the interest in said player.  😉 

Remember, Jacksonville never played Rob Johnson after he got that 1 start against Detroit (pretty sure it was Detroit, maybe it was somebody else, but pretty sure).  There was limited tape on him, but it was great.  His playing more could only lower his value.  And they played Butler to a tee.

[Big Guava]

41 minutes ago, Believer said:

Norris is a bust. Said it from Game 1 when he went down.

He can prove me wrong by coming back next week, staying healthy and playing the remaining regular season games, and scoring 25+ goals.

Will be happy to apologize to him as I have to Samuelson.

He is a bust only due to health. When healthy he is a really good player. The problem is he is never healthy for long stretches.

[inkman]

1 hour ago, Big Guava said:

He is a bust only due to health. When healthy he is a really good player. The problem is he is never healthy for long stretches.

The player you traded him for was a net negative.  Anything positive out of Josh Norris is gravy. You got a bad player off your team. 

[Thorny]

32 minutes ago, inkman said:

The player you traded him for was a net negative.  Anything positive out of Josh Norris is gravy. You got a bad player off your team. 

the job of the GM is to build a team that is good not one that is incrementally better than the sh*tty one he just built. It’s not good enough to just be “better than the guy who was an awful 2C”, the goal is still “good 2C”

There’s no logical reason Adams’ failure to field a proper 2C grants him lowered expectations going forward for the position.

”anything we get from Norris is gravy” would be applicable if he wasn’t the planned 1C / 2C: gravy in terms of “winning the trade” but building a good team far supersedes that as an aim 

I mean great, we don’t need anything from Norris to justify the trade. But we need something from him to justify the damn roster 

Edited 54 minutes ago by Thorny

[Sidc3000]

4 minutes ago, Thorny said:

the job of the GM is to build a team that is good not one that is incrementally better than the sh*tty one he just built. It’s not good enough to just be “better than the guy who was an awful 2C”, the goal is still “good 2C”

There’s no logical reason Adams’ failure to field a proper 2C grants him lowered expectations going forward for the position.

Well we don’t necessary know what they have with Norris. Yes, he tends to be made of glass but we were saying the same thing about Samuelsson this time last year.  He could be a Norris candidate if he keeps it up (not saying he will). I’m just saying we will have to see what happens with Norris when he gets back. Hopefully he doesn’t break the second he touches the ice on his first game back. 🤞

[Big Guava]

42 minutes ago, inkman said:

The player you traded him for was a net negative.  Anything positive out of Josh Norris is gravy. You got a bad player off your team. 

Cozens has 15 points in 20 games this year but is already a -11. Yikes. That's really hard to do.

[Thorny]

9 minutes ago, Sidc3000 said:

Well we don’t necessary know what they have with Norris. Yes, he tends to be made of glass but we were saying the same thing about Samuelsson this time last year.  He could be a Norris candidate if he keeps it up (not saying he will). I’m just saying we will have to see what happens with Norris when he gets back. Hopefully he doesn’t break the second he touches the ice on his first game back. 🤞

The games he’s missed have already started to paint the picture of what he “is”, though, that’s the point. 

It all counts. Best ability is availability 

“the results” is always the answer to “what do we have” - the context of my post was Norris-in-so-far-as-he-contributes-to-the-result-this-year, and not a definitive analysis and judgment on his once and future career

The context is the team build. “What we have” is currently a roster pacing for 78 points 

Edited 38 minutes ago by Thorny