Pre-season impressions of Norris?

[DarthEbriate]

3 minutes ago, dudacek said:

To the best of my knowledge, Norris has missed time in the NHL for one injury not connected to his chronic shoulder issue.

I get why people would worry about the shoulder, but I don't understand why they treat him like he's Samuelsson or Greenway.

I think Greenway’s primary historic injury is also a shoulder.

Muel-PO seems to be everything.

[Thorny]

13 hours ago, Big Guava said:

He is going to win the Norris Trophy 

/thread 

[Thorny]

26 minutes ago, dudacek said:

To the best of my knowledge, Norris has missed time in the NHL for one injury not connected to his chronic shoulder issue.

I get why people would worry about the shoulder, but I don't understand why they treat him like he's Samuelsson or Greenway.

Probably just a combination of both the fact of the matter being the burden of proof is on Norris at this point due to the consistent track record of missing games, and the fact at one point Samuelsson was a “don’t treat him like Bogosian” guy, until he wasn’t

this is a big year for him (obviously). Once players go down the road he’s been on it gets harder to change lanes the more time you’ve missed, the more you’ve slowed down - but it can be done: there was time people didn’t think Sid would get back to being healthy and he totally recovered 

Edited 3 hours ago by Thorny

[GASabresIUFAN]

13 minutes ago, dudacek said:

To the best of my knowledge, Norris has missed time in the NHL for one injury not connected to his chronic shoulder issue.

I get why people would worry about the shoulder, but I don't understand why they treat him like he's Samuelsson or Greenway.

Why?  He has never played a full season in 5 NHL only seasons.  The most he has ever played was 66 games.  His other seasons are 56, 8, 50 & 56. If his chronic shoulder issue keeps him from playing 3/8 of every season, he should be treated like Greenway and Samuelsson.  I don’t care what the injuries are, I care about player availability.  

Samuelsson has played 40 to 60 games in his brief career.  Greenway only played 34 last year, but has typically played 56 to 67 games on his career (played 81 as a rookie).  Norris’ resume looks similar to Samuelsson and Greenway.

[dudacek]

50 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Why?  He has never played a full season in 5 NHL only seasons.  The most he has ever played was 66 games.  His other seasons are 56, 8, 50 & 56. If his chronic shoulder issue keeps him from playing 3/8 of every season, he should be treated like Greenway and Samuelsson.  I don’t care what the injuries are, I care about player availability.  

Samuelsson has played 40 to 60 games in his brief career.  Greenway only played 34 last year, but has typically played 56 to 67 games on his career (played 81 as a rookie).  Norris’ resume looks similar to Samuelsson and Greenway.

Because his availability issues are easily explained by a chronic shoulder problem. If the shoulder is fixed, doesn't the elevated injury risk disappear?

There is nothing indicate he is more prone to a concussion — your example — than Thompson, or Benson or any other top six Sabre. There is no track record of unusual fragility in multiple areas, like there is with Samuelsson.

1 Norris played every game as a rookie in a COVID-shortened season.

2 He played 66 games the next year as the shoulder issue developed.

3 He had surgery and missed almost his entire 3rd year.

4 He started late in year 4, discovered the surgery didn't work and missed 30 games with a second surgery

5 He played 53 games in a year where he developed an oblique injury. The Sabres decided to shut him down for the year after acquiring him in a trade.

So basically, in 5 seasons, the guy has had two injuries, it's just that the first injury was improperly treated and affected him for three years. It's a big deal and a concern.

But two injuries in three years doesn't make him 'injury prone'.

Edited 2 hours ago by dudacek

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

But two injuries in three years doesn't make him 'injury prone'.

From your keyboard to god’s ears 

[GASabresIUFAN]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

Because his availability issues are easily explained by a chronic shoulder problem. If the shoulder is fixed, doesn't the elevated injury risk disappear?

There is nothing indicate he is more prone to a concussion — your example — than Thompson, or Benson or any other top six Sabre. There is no track record of unusual fragility in multiple areas, like there is with Samuelsson.

1 Norris played every game as a rookie in a COVID-shortened season.

2 He played 66 games the next year as the shoulder issue developed.

3 He had surgery and missed almost his entire 3rd year.

4 He started late in year 4, discovered the surgery didn't work and missed 30 games with a second surgery

5 He played 53 games in a year where he developed an oblique injury. The Sabres decided to shut him down for the year after acquiring him in a trade.

So basically, in 5 seasons, the guy has had two injuries, it's just that the first injury was improperly treated and affected him for three years. It's a big deal and a concern.

But two injuries in three years doesn't make him 'injury prone'.

It would be great if his shoulder is fully healed and he plays a full season.  Sadly, we have no idea if the shoulder is sound. Only time will tell. Until he proves healthy, he’ll remain a question mark.

[Sabres73]

I grabbed Norris in my hockey pool, so he must be good.