2025 NHL Entry Draft Thread, Sabres Draft 9th

[Brawndo]

20 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

My preliminary ranking:

1. Schaefer 

2. Misa

3. Hagens

4. Martone

5. Desnoyers 

6. Roger McQueen *injury notwithstanding 

7. Carter Bear

8. Victor Eklund

9. Justin Carbonneau 

10. Jackson Smith

11. Brady Martin

12. Kashawn Aitcheson 

13. Jake O'Brien 

14. Benjamin Kindel

15. Lynden Lakovic

16. Logan Hensler

What are your thoughts on Carbonneau 

[LGR4GM]

33 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

What are your thoughts on Carbonneau 

I've watched way too much Carbonneau. He's fascinating to me. 6'1" and almost 200lbs with an 06 birthday so he's physically mature for the class. Usually this might mean less runway but I'm mildly convinced Carbonneau has more runaway. There's moments where he's just dominant, he'll handle, fake, slide an inane pass a teammate and crash the net. His shot is underrated and he can fire it from every angle, position, and way he wants. The talent he possesses is extraordinary. 

The catch is, he's too good for the Q and that means he does dumb *****. He'll try and deke 3 guys, skate into trouble, and lose pucks. I've seen him make incredibly bad decisions not because he can't see the ice, but because he's trying to be extra awesome. That's not to say he's some selfish primadona, he's very able of a team game, just on his team everything flows through him. 

Overall, I love him a bit. He looks like a hockey player, he's got high end tools and just needs some more play selection refinement. Another year in the Q and 2 in the AHL and I think you could have a 35g 45a player who can takeover shifts. He's willing to back and forecheck, just needs to work on some positioning defensively. 

Carbonneau is medium risk for high reward. If he doesn't hit, you're probably getting a 15-20g and 15-20a middle six winger who will be really good on your pp. 

Edit: Oh and for anyone worried Carbonneau is just a finesse guy... lolz. Dude might not be Martin but he's willing and wanting to hit things. 

Edited yesterday at 11:47 AM by LGR4GM

[LGR4GM]

 

 

 

 

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[Mr. Allen]

58 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

My preliminary ranking:

1. Schaefer 

2. Misa

3. Hagens

4. Martone

5. Desnoyers 

6. Roger McQueen *injury notwithstanding 

7. Carter Bear

8. Victor Eklund

9. Justin Carbonneau 

10. Jackson Smith

11. Brady Martin

12. Kashawn Aitcheson 

13. Jake O'Brien 

14. Benjamin Kindel

15. Lynden Lakovic

16. Logan Hensler

Uh oh.  I’m not seeing a likely selection of ours on there.  Mrtka keeps getting mocked to us by others.  

[LGR4GM]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Allen said:

Uh oh.  I’m not seeing a likely selection of ours on there.  Mrtka keeps getting mocked to us by others.  

I'd put mrtka at 17 or 18. I almost put him in Henslers spot.

Edited yesterday at 11:59 AM by LGR4GM

[Archie Lee]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

My preliminary ranking:

1. Schaefer 

2. Misa

3. Hagens

4. Martone

5. Desnoyers 

6. Roger McQueen *injury notwithstanding 

7. Carter Bear

8. Victor Eklund

9. Justin Carbonneau 

10. Jackson Smith

11. Brady Martin

12. Kashawn Aitcheson 

13. Jake O'Brien 

14. Benjamin Kindel

15. Lynden Lakovic

16. Logan Hensler

The top 5 aren’t falling to us. Frondell likely goes top 5-7 too, I think. After those 6, I can find traits and upside in your 6-13 (and Mrtka) that would leave me feeling good if we drafted any of them. Cheers for the work!

 

[LGR4GM]

Mrtka is fine, he's just not anything that blows me away. He's your typical 3/4 defender and I think I can get something similar later in the draft. I'm probably to low on him but that's okay. 

10 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

The top 5 aren’t falling to us. Frondell likely goes top 5-7 too, I think. After those 6, I can find traits and upside in your 6-13 (and Mrtka) that would leave me feeling good if we drafted any of them. Cheers for the work!

 

I don't believe in Frondell. His shot yes but I don't understand how he's going to create in the NHL because he doesn't carry much and his size advantage is gone. So he'll be a trigger guy with decent 200ft game. 

[Archie Lee]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Mrtka is fine, he's just not anything that blows me away. He's your typical 3/4 defender and I think I can get something similar later in the draft. I'm probably to low on him but that's okay. 

I don't believe in Frondell. His shot yes but I don't understand how he's going to create in the NHL because he doesn't carry much and his size advantage is gone. So he'll be a trigger guy with decent 200ft game. 

Frondell’s interesting in that most who rate him highly acknowledge your concerns. Yet he is still rated as high as #3. It seems he is seen as a safe pick. I haven’t seen him play. Is he Lundell with a shot?

[Mr. Allen]

I want a guy whose last name starts with “M” in this order. 

Misa. 
Martone. 
Martin. 
McQueen. 
 

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Archie Lee said:

Frondell’s interesting in that most who rate him highly acknowledge your concerns. Yet he is still rated as high as #3. It seems he is seen as a safe pick. I haven’t seen him play. Is he Lundell with a shot?

He just doesn't carry the puck into the zone. It's a lot of boxing out a guy, getting a pass from someone and ripping a shot. The shots great but I think his handles are just above average, his skating same. I just don't understand what makes him special outside the shot. He's physical enough, that's true and drive inside but idk, he just never pops for me. I could be wildly wrong. 

[LGR4GM]

Max Psenicka is gonna end up in my top 30.

[Brawndo]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I've watched way too much Carbonneau. He's fascinating to me. 6'1" and almost 200lbs with an 06 birthday so he's physically mature for the class. Usually this might mean less runway but I'm mildly convinced Carbonneau has more runaway. There's moments where he's just dominant, he'll handle, fake, slide an inane pass a teammate and crash the net. His shot is underrated and he can fire it from every angle, position, and way he wants. The talent he possesses is extraordinary. 

The catch is, he's too good for the Q and that means he does dumb *****. He'll try and deke 3 guys, skate into trouble, and lose pucks. I've seen him make incredibly bad decisions not because he can't see the ice, but because he's trying to be extra awesome. That's not to say he's some selfish primadona, he's very able of a team game, just on his team everything flows through him. 

Overall, I love him a bit. He looks like a hockey player, he's got high end tools and just needs some more play selection refinement. Another year in the Q and 2 in the AHL and I think you could have a 35g 45a player who can takeover shifts. He's willing to back and forecheck, just needs to work on some positioning defensively. 

Carbonneau is medium risk for high reward. If he doesn't hit, you're probably getting a 15-20g and 15-20a middle six winger who will be really good on your pp. 

Edit: Oh and for anyone worried Carbonneau is just a finesse guy... lolz. Dude might not be Martin but he's willing and wanting to hit things. 

Sounds like someone who would benefit from the NCAA next year 

[DarthEbriate]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

He just doesn't carry the puck into the zone. It's a lot of boxing out a guy, getting a pass from someone and ripping a shot. The shots great but I think his handles are just above average, his skating same. I just don't understand what makes him special outside the shot. He's physical enough, that's true and drive inside but idk, he just never pops for me. I could be wildly wrong. 

Is he a good defensive guy? Meaning, would he ultimately be an Anton Lundell? I think of Lundell as a 3, but he probably becomes Florida's 2C this summer if Bennett's contract demands outstretch their means. Like a Charlie Coyle.

And if we're talking Lundell/Coyle, then it's a good pick but not a top-10 pick.

[JustOneParade]

6 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I've watched way too much Carbonneau. He's fascinating to me. 6'1" and almost 200lbs with an 06 birthday so he's physically mature for the class. Usually this might mean less runway but I'm mildly convinced Carbonneau has more runaway. There's moments where he's just dominant, he'll handle, fake, slide an inane pass a teammate and crash the net. His shot is underrated and he can fire it from every angle, position, and way he wants. The talent he possesses is extraordinary. 

The catch is, he's too good for the Q and that means he does dumb *****. He'll try and deke 3 guys, skate into trouble, and lose pucks. I've seen him make incredibly bad decisions not because he can't see the ice, but because he's trying to be extra awesome. That's not to say he's some selfish primadona, he's very able of a team game, just on his team everything flows through him. 

Overall, I love him a bit. He looks like a hockey player, he's got high end tools and just needs some more play selection refinement. Another year in the Q and 2 in the AHL and I think you could have a 35g 45a player who can takeover shifts. He's willing to back and forecheck, just needs to work on some positioning defensively. 

Carbonneau is medium risk for high reward. If he doesn't hit, you're probably getting a 15-20g and 15-20a middle six winger who will be really good on your pp. 

Edit: Oh and for anyone worried Carbonneau is just a finesse guy... lolz. Dude might not be Martin but he's willing and wanting to hit things. 

Appears that an Athletic hockey writer is finally catching up to you on Carbonneau, Liger. Intriguing story on him just this morning.

[LGR4GM]

2 hours ago, Brawndo said:

Sounds like someone who would benefit from the NCAA next year 

Now there's a great idea. Carbonneau in the ncaa would be such a great development move for him. 

[LGR4GM]

16 minutes ago, JustOneParade said:

Appears that an Athletic hockey writer is finally catching up to you on Carbonneau, Liger. Intriguing story on him just this morning.

Saw that, good read. Also I've so totally ignored central scouting for being the hacks they are that I just more realized how low they put Carbonneau. 

Actually I'll add. I've had a crush on what Carbonneau does for a bit. I cannot understand why he's not higher in ppls boards. The puck handling is excellent. The skating is borderline elite for his edges and quickness. He's mean sometimes, like you know how we lament players not standing up for themselves or others, Carbonneau will stand up. Actually he might want to dial it back a touch. If I can't have Bear, I'll take Carbonneau... mainly so I can hear Marty pronounce his name. 

Edited 23 hours ago by LGR4GM