ExiledInIllinois Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Think about it? Now Drury? OMG! I know they are saying it seemed like a clean hit and all... Probably pretty good... But, the Slugs have a target on their back and teams are systematically eliminating them... That leaves me with the question above... The league institued all the new rules last year and through the years eliminating the "goons"... If teams like the Sabres build and adapt to those new rules aren't they sitting ducks when refs refuse to call the game according to those rules? I am not saying this game was called bad or not, didn't see it, listened to the Ottawa Sens broadcast (there goes the theory that the home team gets the broadcast on Sirius/satellite... <_<) and the announcers lament after the game that "Ottawa deserved a better fate (in the final score) in this game..." :sick: :sick: The question is there and I hope Lindy addresses it with the league that guys will get killed out there if the refs set a bad precedent like they have been doing all year... I know the the league wants scoring... Flash... Appeal... AND NO FIGHTING... Yet, the refs systematically UNDERMINE THE LEAGUE'S MISSION... The resut? The exact opposite! The league better deliver the Cup to BFLO on a silver platter this year... I WILL FEEL NO REMORSE! ??? What do you think ??? Get what I am saying? This year the players are reverting to "kids" saying "we can do and not get called"... When hockey for over a hundred years has been played by men with for the most part NO SAFETY EQUIPMENT... Another question... Is ice hockey (N. American) one sport where technology will make it worse? But, that is another tangent discussion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Seats Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 You can only answer that question if you know what rules the refs are going to enforce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 This right off the recap: Drury, who also scored, was hurt after being blind-sided by Ottawa's Chris Neil - a hit that sparked a wild melee that involved all 12 players on the ice. Maybe it wasn't clean? Any word? Sorry for the laziness... :( We are really "sitting ducks"... The way we play (the league's way)... <_< You can only answer that question if you know what rules the refs are going to enforce. EXACTLY! That is my whole point... The league has a very SERIOUS issue on their hands and BFLO is Exhibit A! I have no doubt that with the fickle and undermining refs... You still play "old-time" hockey! "New style" is not "backwards compatible." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 It was a hockey play. Neal didn't do anything he hasn't done a hundred times against whoever Ottawa plays. Had nothing to do with the opponent. The response was because it was on a STAR player - that's the code. The fact of the matter is generally the team that wins the physical battle usually wins the game. Big hits for the most part are crowd pleasing but they rarely win hockey games. Finishing your check is alot different than "take a big run and try and crush someone". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 It was a hockey play. Neal didn't do anything he hasn't done a hundred times against whoever Ottawa plays. Had nothing to do with the opponent. The response was because it was on a STAR player - that's the code. The fact of the matter is generally the team that wins the physical battle usually wins the game. Big hits for the most part are crowd pleasing but they rarely win hockey games. Finishing your check is alot different than "take a big run and try and crush someone". You having fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 It was a hockey play. Neal didn't do anything he hasn't done a hundred times against whoever Ottawa plays. Had nothing to do with the opponent. The response was because it was on a STAR player - that's the code. The fact of the matter is generally the team that wins the physical battle usually wins the game. Big hits for the most part are crowd pleasing but they rarely win hockey games. Finishing your check is alot different than "take a big run and try and crush someone". I think you should stick to the Bills board. You make much more sense over there. :thumbsup: I'm just fahkin with ya bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodfella25 Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 This right off the recap: Drury, who also scored, was hurt after being blind-sided by Ottawa's Chris Neil - a hit that sparked a wild melee that involved all 12 players on the ice. That recap is garbage. If you read on down the story, it says, "The action was marred by an ugly second period, the fighting beginning shortly after Drury was hurt. Drury had just snapped a shot on net from the right circle when Neil, without slowing, hit him from behind. Neil's shoulder caught Drury across the side of the head, but was not penalized for the hit." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I think you should stick to the Bills board. You make much more sense over there. :thumbsup: I'm just fahkin with ya bro. You're not hurting my feelings. I was as pissed as anyone when Neal hit Drury but it's a code thing, not a "he intentionally tried to injure him" thing. Hence the "Don't go after our fuggin' Captain" rant from Lindy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 It was a hockey play. Neal didn't do anything he hasn't done a hundred times against whoever Ottawa plays. Had nothing to do with the opponent. The response was because it was on a STAR player - that's the code. The fact of the matter is generally the team that wins the physical battle usually wins the game. Big hits for the most part are crowd pleasing but they rarely win hockey games. Finishing your check is alot different than "take a big run and try and crush someone". Perfect point AD and I agree... It is that he (Neil) is getting "away" with it (an other players) in the era of the "new rules". Again... IMO, new school that the LEAGUE wants is not backwards compatible with what the refs have been seeting a precedent with THIS YEAR... Again, I couldn't agree more AD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Perfect point AD and I agree... It is that he (Neil) is getting "away" with it (an other players) in the era of the "new rules". Again... IMO, new school that the LEAGUE wants is not backwards compatible with what the refs have been seeting a precedent with THIS YEAR... Again, I couldn't agree more AD... I wouldn't say he's "getting away" with much. It's a fast game that's tough to officiate and right now it borders on ridiculous. I'm very worried about them taking the physical part of the game away because that's one of the coolest things about hockey. He hit Drury with shoulder either in the chest or the chin. Was it late? Sure. Was it dirty? Maybe a little, but Daniel Briere spearing Ovechkin in the jewels was worse (and better). It's hockey. That's why I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Seats Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 It was reminiscent of Ovechkin's late hit on Briere. It looked much more innocent than it was, and there was no response by the officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 It was reminiscent of Ovechkin's late hit on Briere. It looked much more innocent than it was, and there was no response by the officials. I disagree. Ovenchicken's hit was WAY later and from behind about 2 feet from the boards. Briere is lucky he wasn't crippled by that hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I was as pissed as anyone when Neal hit Drury No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I disagree. Ovenchicken's hit was WAY later and from behind about 2 feet from the boards. Briere is lucky he wasn't crippled by that hit. while I understand the overall argument you are making, I think you are downplaying it a little too much. A dirty hit is kind of like defining porn - you know it when you see it. There was something wrong about it, but makes it different than all the other hits in a game. The lateness, the angle, the shoulder to the face, the unsuspecting nature of it... It wasn't right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 while I understand the overall argument you are making, I think you are downplaying it a little too much. A dirty hit is kind of like defining porn - you know it when you see it. There was something wrong about it, but makes it different than all the other hits in a game. The lateness, the angle, the shoulder to the face, the unsuspecting nature of it... It wasn't right. I didn't say it was. It's just not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I didn't start watching hockey last season, ya know? No Really? Did you huck your remote across the room, scream "fukk" and wake 3 dobermans from a sound sleep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I didn't say it was. It's just not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I didn't start watching hockey last season, ya know? Really? Did you huck your remote across the room, scream "fukk" and wake 3 dobermans from a sound sleep? No, but I know a troll when I see one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I didn't say it was. It's just not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I didn't start watching hockey last season, ya know? Really? Did you huck your remote across the room, scream "fukk" and wake 3 dobermans from a sound sleep? We know you know the game... The hit wasn't horrific - it's not like Drury took a stick across the back of the neck, but it wasn't right or even necessary... I think even good, clean hits to your stars need to be followed up with some hard-hitting play just to put some doubt in the minds of those coming in on their checks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg17 Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 [ It's just not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. ) Just caught it again on ESPNews. Probably the 20th time I've watched it. For some reason it now looks a little too late. I had no real problem with it the first 19 times I watched it. Go figure. Good hard nosed play. Happens in every game. Not every guy lands face first on the ice. That's probably where the damage occurred. Sabre response was appropriate and necessary, made more so by the incredible string of injuries. In all, I take Alaska's side on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 No, but I know a troll when I see one Oh, I'm a troll. Thanks for the info. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fronz1103 Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Maybe its just me, but this game is way too fast - paced for this kind of hit to be allowed and not be penalized for it. a small hook in over-time is called but a check that takes advantage of a vulnerable player? RAZOR made a good point on the post game show today: "these players are going out there FEARLESS", "because they know that they will not be punished for it." I couldn't agree more with ROB RAY! ?! .. yeah i just agreed with Rob Ray. This is a real issue and honestly it needs to be looked at thoroughly and addressed. In a way the Connolly and Umberger hits are different because they could have avoided it by just 'looking up', so yes they were "asking for it" But in drury's case, i dont even see a "definative cut made to the middle on his part" he shot it and 2 seconds later he gets hit from behind. Fair, no. I don't understand how so many people are calling this a clean hit!? I believe hits that are open iced are not automatically clean if a shoulder is down. Timing and puck possesion should be just important. You think aobut it, if you play hockey...when you pass a puck or shoot it from the middle of the ice your natural instinct is looking to cut up the ice or to the net, are you ready for a guy coming up from behind and laying you out?? NO, your not! I dunno I came up with this as a comparison... the NHL is letting this getting out of control...you're going to a hockey game and basically have about a 50/50 shot at seeing real live unscripted WWE - esqe material. Only difference is that the WWE is fake and the NHL is real with NHL Athletes getting injured because of thugs falsely labeled as "tough guys" When you see guys getting knocked out of the game its not because they we "sleep-walking" or "not paying attention". It s because you have plagues(fake tough guys) on the ice that are looking for the "big hit" the easy way. CHris Drury, I Hope all gets well soon and looking forward to see ya Saturday on the ice. As for Ottawa... No Comment. I waste my breathe on them when they earn an ounce of respect. Good night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Maybe its just me, but this game is way too fast - paced for this kind of hit to be allowed and not be penalized for it. a small hook in over-time is called but a check that takes advantage of a vulnerable player? RAZOR made a good point on the post game show today: "these players are going out there FEARLESS", "because they know that they will not be punished for it." I couldn't agree more with ROB RAY! ?! .. yeah i just agreed with Rob Ray. This is a real issue and honestly it needs to be looked at thoroughly and addressed. In a way the Connolly and Umberger hits are different because they could have avoided it by just 'looking up', so yes they were "asking for it" But in drury's case, i dont even see a "definative cut made to the middle on his part" he shot it and 2 seconds later he gets hit from behind. Fair, no. I don't understand how so many people are calling this a clean hit!? I believe hits that are open iced are not automatically clean if a shoulder is down. Timing and puck possesion should be just important. You think aobut it, if you play hockey...when you pass a puck or shoot it from the middle of the ice your natural instinct is looking to cut up the ice or to the net, are you ready for a guy coming up from behind and laying you out?? NO, your not! I dunno I came up with this as a comparison... the NHL is letting this getting out of control...you're going to a hockey game and basically have about a 50/50 shot at seeing real live unscripted WWE - esqe material. Only difference is that the WWE is fake and the NHL is real with NHL Athletes getting injured because of thugs falsely labeled as "tough guys" When you see guys getting knocked out of the game its not because they we "sleep-walking" or "not paying attention". It s because you have plagues(fake tough guys) on the ice that are looking for the "big hit" the easy way. CHris Drury, I Hope all gets well soon and looking forward to see ya Saturday on the ice. As for Ottawa... No Comment. I waste my breathe on them when they earn an ounce of respect. Good night Very good post... So much in there that one can dissect. A sizable amount of fear has defined this game (ice hockey) from the start... Like everything else in life... Technology (skates, safety equipment... Even the way the ice is re-surfaced) dominates... It almost always desensitizes you to your surroundings... And hence where my real question was going with the title of the thread... You have goalies doing "snow angels"... Slit jugglers and tendons... Etc... The game is evolving with the speed being created... Yet, when you crash and burn... The results are gonna be staggering and hideous... With safety equipment too... Just imagine if the old-fashioned goal moorings were still in use today with the "gonzo" mentality out there? Yet, there is something to say about the past... IT GOT YOU TO THINK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 you want a difference in the connoly and umburger hits compared to the one on drury. Heres one connolly and umburger had the puck. Want to know how dirty the hit was? The best thing Murray could come up with to defend it was that Drury didn't have his helmet on right. All I know is Saturday night is gonna be a bloody war and if we meet them in the playoffs it is gonna get real nasty. On a side note is Peters up for a suspension yet? I thought he had a instigator or two againest him this season already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fronz1103 Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Eventhough it needs to be done (the bloody war) its the last thing this team needs.. ottawa knows that! Thats why their hit on drury should warrant a suspension...dirty, intentional, and down right wrong. I suspect they suspend peters and neil to prevent anything from happening in Ottawa on saturday night... but as for the rest of them... its gonna b a war. Senators verses Sabres (Saberks). LET's GO BUFFALO!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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