Doohickie
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CoHo.
Of course.
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Gary Roberts
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Perhaps. Maybe it's a simple case of those seeing Grigo as a bust being so 'vocal.' Don't know I'd say the vote for top 3 C is 'dominant,' as it is well under 50% support. It is leading though, will give it that.
I think it was a case of more sympathy for the bust viewpoint prior to his late-season performance. I think many simply hadn't seen Grigo perform at an NHL level prior to that, so they (myself included) tended to go along with those who cried bust.
I might be the only, well pretty sure i am but i still believe given time we'll get more out of Grigorenko then out of Girgensons.
Worst case scenario they make up a hell of 3rd line together with Foligno.
I wouldn't mind that at all.
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Would you move him to wing?
He isn't going to be the 1C, that's Eichel's job.
He isn't going to be the 2C, that's Samson's job.
He isn't going to e the 3C/shutdown C, that's going to be Zemgod's job.
So then you want him centering the 4th line? I want more muscle on that line than Grigro provides.
I think Grigo is stronger than you give him credit for and toward the end of the season was learning to play the "big" game. He's still maturing physically and I think it's premature to write him off as a "big Ennis." I kind of see Larsson, Gus and Grigo duking it out for the 3rd and maybe even 4th line center positions, with one or two of those guys ending up on the wing. I think there may be a place for all 5 centers on the team, but I can also see Murray moving one or two (either off the team or to wing).
He drafted Reinhart over Draisaitl (who is bigger) and Bennett (who is more physical).
When you're drafting in the top two or three, you don't get fancy, you take the best player available. Especially in his first draft Murray wasn't going to get cute. If he truly didn't want Reinhart he could have traded down and gotten one of the guys you mentioned, but even that might have drawn criticism.
That said, I do agree that Grigo may be a part of the long term build.
It's OK to have four good centres.
THIS. The Sabres have been lacking quality centers for a while now. That's finally ending, but I think we need to remember that you can't have too many centers. They may end up on the wing, but geeze don't be so quick to move them. Girgs takes a shot off his ankle, someone else blows out a knee (heaven forbid)... having that extra center hanging out on the wing will be a treasure.
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Never mind that he's a big scoring forward.
I know, right? I realize Darcy picked him, but he does seem to be a GMTM type player to me.
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where is that coming from ? He's under contract until then, but the RWs can certainly let him talk if he doesn't want to stay there
I think they are looking at keeping him there. They haven't said anything to the contrary.
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This! Grigo is not Tim Murray's guy and not his type of guy.
Help me understand what you mean by Grigo isn't "his type of guy." What is GMTM's type of guy, and why doesn't Grigo fit into that? The only part I thought was lacking was the "hockey sense" and he seemed to make good strides toward the end of the year.
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You went to the wrong one. It's actually the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes
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No Sabre enters the season with more question marks.
...except for CoHo.
Anyway, I checked top 3 center because I think his ceiling is there. In my mind his size makes him a good 3rd line center, but when it all shakes out I could see him on the fourth line eventually... not as a knock against him but as a testament to the center depth the Sabres may end up with. Assuming Eichel and Reinhart center the top two lines, I see Grigo, Larsson and Zemgus all competing for the other two center spots, and one or two of those guys moving to top-six wing.
I think figuring out what to do with the centers the Sabres have will be the top assignment for the new coach. I think Grigo could end up as third line center filling in on the second line as needed. I think in the Eichel thread someone said something about putting Grigo on Eichel's wing (or perhaps Reinhart's) to take faceoffs if that part of their game isn't quite mature in the fall, that'd be fine too.
I just hope the Grigo we see in the fall was the late season 2014-15 version, not the earlier incarnations. I tend to think this may be the case, that he's grown into being a pretty decent NHLer. If he doesn't, I can see GMTM moving him for a bag of pucks.
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I don't see Z and D as mentors starting the 15-16 season.
There are different levels of mentoring. Tyler Ennis and Brian Gionta are "finished" players; their development is largely complete; their ceiling is known. They are clearly in a position to mentor younger players. But... It's been a long time since they've had to deal with the pains of breaking into the league. Des and Zemgus have just gone through that process; they know what it's like to break into today's NHL. I think there's a lot of advice and tactics they can pass on to the new players to get them over the hump, to help them understand the difference between juniors, minors and the big league. If that's not mentoring, I don't know what is.
There are different ways of mentoring. There is the perspective of senior guys to bring junior guys into the ranks, but there's also the more practical aspects of adjusting to life in the NHL that the older guys might take for granted but the younger guys who've just gone through it can share with the fresh meat.
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Latvian Voter
Win.
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And guys like Gionta will hopefully help Kane as much as the young(er) guys.
Yes, that's an important point. When I say that Kane or Girgs will help the new guys, I'm not saying that they themselves are finished products.
I still see a lot of potential growth on this roster. I think my point was that having young guys isn't Edmonton's problem, it's that they have too many young guys of a similar skill set. So I'm not saying that Girgs or Deslauriers are mentoring the younger guys as such, but rather providing grit on a line with a rookie to help shelter the rookies.
I like to think that a guy like Kane can learn from a Gionta, but I also see that maybe Kane and Foligno might help fill out each others' games. I'm thinking that Gionta, Gorges and Weber are pretty much settled into their games, Bogo and Ennis are just about there, but the rest of the roster will be growing and learning from each other.
Oh yeah, and hopefully if he's still with the team in October, CoHo will also be learning and hopefully together enough to provide some level of leadership to younger players.
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That's a weird grouping to make. I wouldn't put those two guys in the same list.
Look at my post just before MB's; it expands on the same concept a bit.
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Blue and Gold Make WIN.
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The Oilers don't have a Kane or a Gionta, and their D hasn't been very good.
Exactly.
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I look to Edmonton as a * what not to do*, throw a bunch of #1 overall draft picks to the wolves nightly and hope they develop. It's seems evident that a competent core of veterans to help acclimate a very young player with no pro hockey experience is a must. Maybe we are asking the wrong question of weather Jack or Sam is able to do it on their own, but rather, is the veteran core the Sabres have capable of bringing along 2 very young players ?
Then let's hope that the core of veterans Murray has brought in (and some of the slightly older young guys) can do the job for Sam and Jack. Seriously... the first line looks pretty stacked with Kane and Ennis, with Kane providing a physical presence and Ennis showing how to avoid hits. Second line you can also put some protection on there in the form of Girgensons or maybe Foligno, and have a veteran like Moulson or Gionta. If things get crazy, break out Deslauriers; I don't think we could ask for a better bodyguard. His reputation around the league seems to be one of the guys you don't want to mess around with.
The problem with the Oilers, imo, isn't having the young guys; it's having too many players of the same type - scoring forwards. I think GMTM has addressed that with some of the big bodies on the team.
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Very disappointed I missed Filly Leino
I was very surprised it was still available.
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I remember hearing a story about a call like that -- from RJ himself (in an interview). As memory serves, he got a memo from one of the Knox brothers asking him to keep things more family-friendly. I recall him dating it to his very early years, though.
The jockstrap comment was used routinely by Mickey Redmond when I lived in Detroit. But that was a little later, and there was always the sense that Redmond's comments were already cleaned up compared to what was going on in his head.
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I hope they give Eichel a chance to center the top line immediately and give him a chance (20 games or so) to sink or swim unless it just appears completely obvious that he isn't ready. If he's getting beat like a rented mule then either give Reinhart a chance or move Zemgus back up to the top line to allow the young guys to be sheltered a bit and work on their flaws and get through their growing pains.
I don't know. Last time I rented a mule, I treated it very well.
...and no disrespect toward Girgs, but if we're trying to protect Eichel and Reinhart, I think I put Larsson on the top line to start. I thought he was more offensively creative than Girgs.
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Filly Leino.
Now Do You Believe?
Close but no cigar
Tank commander
I already took Tank Commander.
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Tank Commander
This horse, of course, will finish DFL.
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This is subtle, but I always like when Rick says the Canadian a-GAIN. Zhitnik to Smehlik, back to Zhitnik a-GAIN. I think he lets it slip.
Ohhhh... Zhitnik and Smehlik have their own game going!
Totally unrelated, but when they were all the team, this little passage popped into my head: "Is that a Zhitnik? I dunno, Smehlik. Ew! That's Grosek!
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With all due respect, Jack Eichel is *not* Marcus Foligno, Luke Adam or Johan Larsson. I'm not saying he will definitely be ready to center a top line right away.... but then again, he might.
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@TSNDaveNaylor: ."If he's leaving Detroit, I would put
EdmontonMcDavid at the top of the list." -- @TSNBobMcKenzie on #TSNDrive, in reference to Mike Babcock.fify
The Jack Eichel thread.
in The Aud Club
Posted · Edited by Neuvichs Perchatka
I'm more optimistic on CoHo. The softness doesn't seem as bad was it was early, but because everyone is looking for it now it's easy to point out. Everyone loses puck battles and gets pushed off the puck. Everyone is strong on the puck at times too. We're so used to the soft CoHo that every time we see it, our bias is confirmed. But I think he got better late in the season.
As for the dad situation, a kid's gotta grow up at some point. I like to think he's at that point.
I also always sensed last season that if any single player was tanking, it was CoHo, whether it was because he was trying to help the cause or was just trying to get moved off the team, or maybe he was just discouraged in general, I think he was often playing below his capability semi-purposely. So *if* the new & improved Sabres are something he wants to be a part of, he could easily have a rebound year this coming season.
All that said, I could be wrong.