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No because the civil complaint doesn't rest on the theory mccoy was responsible for the attack, but rather that he breached his duty to her by installing a security system in the home but not providing her access to it (nonsense). So they are independent of one another. The complaint is very problematic to the ex though.

Did that article say whaley will be remembered for his failed draft pick of cardale jones and massive contract of ...taylor. Are those the things haha?

I guess I'll just disagree, as everything i read about this draft was that is was deep through the second (though like you said that is more like mid 3rd). But we used our 5th rounders to move up. 5th rounders are truly a crapshoot and rarely turn into anything. But anyways, statistics are one thing, individual results are another. If our two second rounders turn out to be good, then it was a great move and they were right. If they dont turn out to be anything better than what was picked later, then they follow the trend of not making the right move. But its individual results, not statistics that end up mattering. And each draft has a ton of examples of good trades and moving up. So calling the coach an idiot for targeting two players they likely could not have gotten at their other draft picks, just because the chances are they are wrong, is silly imo. But still. We went into the draft with 7 picks I believe. We are leaving with 6 picks, but that was with an extra one being made in the second. Oh and we also got a first rounder for next year. I think it was great and it wasn't idiotic.

Can you stop calling second rounders "mid-round picks?" You are absolutely right, mid-round picks are a crap shoot. Hence them trading up into the second round using some of the 5th rounders You know better than to think all draft picks after the first are a total crap shoot. If that's the case we should trade our second and third for a bunch of 4ths and 5ths each year. Also this draft was billed as having higher quality than normal in the second round.

A couple years ago several posters wanted to sign Troy Stecher who was a middling college free agent. He is looking like a solid player for the canucks and their fans seem to think the way he is playing this season is a lock for the top 4 for years to come.

Just because you expect doesn't really mean anything. Expecting much more than this after a major roster overhaul would be pretty spectacular.

Even someone like Risto has no freaking support. I hope we really address the D this year. But back to the topic: if you were going to truly gut the team and rebuild, then the timing was fine. Expecting anything other than this after only a couple of years was a pipe dream. The better question was to tank or not. We could have done a miniature rebuilding keeping some vets like Toronto did, or did what nfreeman suggested. There were lots of options. Who knows what was the right one. Maybe the old core would have never achieved anything. Maybe this new core has the potential to be one of the all time greats? Well no convincing you lol. All I can say is look at the roster from 2013-2014 and says ith a straight face that will turn into a no brainer playoff team in three years with major injuries to their top offensive threats and a freak injury to a top 4 d man. I'm sure Toronto would be in a playoff spot if Matthews missed a quarter of the season, JVR missed a good chunk of time, and Gardner hit a door and wasn't the same all season. This roster has no room for major injuries. It had major injuries

I agree the coaching sucks. I'm just pointing out thinking this team would be anything more than a bubble playoff team two years after getting eichel is crazy talk. And we are right on track to be a bubble playoff team this year with this exact roster considering the injuries and coaching. Murray has done fine. Seriously go look at the roster in the 2013-2014 season to see what he had. You all should act in amazement to see players like ROR and Kane just appear on the team randomly. Murray needs to continue to improve the roster but getting top 4 dmen and building a bottom 6 and depth takes time unfortunalty, especially when you start with crap.

Toronto and buffalo rebuilds are not comparable. One team completely gutted it's team, one didn't. They had holdovers like JVR, Kadri, Komorov, Gardner, bosak who are actually good and contributing. That includes 3 of their top 5 point getters in their 2012 season. We have holdovers like Ennis and Foligno? I think we have *two* players from our 2012 team. That is insane. In 2013 we added McCabe and girgensons and deslauriers. I wish people understood the scope of the rebuild. We essentially looked like an expansion team at one point with a good prospect pool and extra draft picks. That takes more than a year or two to come out of.

Aren't we less than two years out from fielding one the worst hockey teams in history? Expecting anything more at this point with some key injuries is misunderstanding a lot of things.

COOL BRO!!! lol women am I right LOL

Not to mention anyone who thinks someone like Whaley has anything to do with a marketing video needs to get real

The list is silly, shocker the top 4 teams are Canadian from TSN. Anyone seriously think marner > ristolainen

Actually a lot of our depth picks of the past 5 years until recently have been on forwards. Jake McCabe was picked in the 2nd in 2012 however. He's come pretty far in 4 years. Just to illustrate, here are our picks on D in rounds 2 and 3: 2009: McNabb (starting in LA) 2010: Mackenzie, Leduc (busts) 2011: 0 2012: McCabe (hit) 2013: 0 2014: Martin (bust) 2015: Guhle 2016: Fitzgerald

I think this place needs to go offline for two or three days. And then mass email everyone back. So much of this drama from all sides is beyond petty and childish. Taking two steps back before coming back would be a great idea for all.