Thorny

Was beginning to get cold feet on my stated intention to step away if Adams was retained upon missing 5 years straight and this really reminded me why I decided that in the first place

What are the ups he’s even speaking of? Does he get it’s a young team because he made it so? Does winning ever actually matter?

This event was a complete embarrassment

*WITH A YOUNG TEAM?!* You built it this way! Year 5! - - - This is the GM of a last place team that has averaged 75 points for 5 years without making the playoffs, on top of 9 straight years missed before that which on its own equals the NHL’s longest playoff drought besides our own: “Not that far away. I could help the roster.” Can’t write this crap

I’m not sure what deserves revolt if not this Development isn’t a straight line?? It wasn’t a development year. Odd talk from a guy saying playoffs were the mandate this year More than that, it’s completely insulting. They are making this too easy

How apropos

Change can be excruciatingly slow, but if you pull back the perspective far enough, you can see its progress. I don’t believe things haven’t changed at all. Too many I know anecdotally, even if that’s only two people, who watch much less than before. Some fans indeed are hitting breaking points and it’s reached a level I personally haven’t seen. More speak of apathy than before. I drew a line at 5 years of Adams and I’m interested to see how that unfolds

When the obstacle is the mere changing of a human mind it’s never an unthinkable pursuit. I mean 12 angry men is one of the best films ever. We won a hockey game against Vegas because of the united choice of several thousand booing Hertl - this actually happened. Of course getting Adams fired could lead to the team being fixed. If you randomly shuffle the deck it won’t likely come up ace but you have to be pretty unlucky to get the Joker Speaking nothing of accountability. And the message it may send. Adams should be accountable we have gone down the wrong road if we are willingly calling accountability pointless just because it may not get us what we feel is personally owed how sad that would be

Game changer gap between 2 and 3 Doesn’t matter where we finish, will need some luck to grab a top 2 spot just win the games you can and make a good pick if you can’t trade it. You are going to get someone “good”, and so are a whole bunch of other teams, too. A top 2 could represent a little bit of quicker gained ground if we are lucky, both to get the pick and after

Could make him shift his thinking on firing Adams

The two better players? No

Utter defeatist bs in this thread shout it from the roof tops. Don’t give in. Show your spirit. Don’t keel over and die because some will call you silly for trying. it’s not about convincing anyone and never has been. It’s about demonstrating that it’s not good enough. That in YOUR heart it’s not good enough. the battle is only truly lost when they’ve convinced you you can’t win it

“The eye-brow was the sign!”

I think they mean something. This discussion always inevitably regrettably seems to devolve into extremities, like most things nowadays it’s not that they don’t matter: it’s just that they don’t take precedent over the others. They don’t matter *more*. We don’t cherry pick the last 2 games and say, “2 for 2, is that the real us?” we are our record the roster should be addressed reflective of the total we finish with, and reflective of what we want to achieve going forward, and how much of a priority it is for us to achieve it The context of the discussion was the removal of Cozens being the “most important part”. That is what i was disagreeing with

He’s responding specifically to the suggestion the team has made meaningful progress with the wins. That has little to do with inability to “accept” a positive outcome. The discussion turned to what it may or may not mean for the future

This is their 5th such stretch this season No, just the nature of an 82 game season

No. We are 5-4 since the deal, getting outplayed in our last two wins, against winnipeg drastically so. I’ll never understand the fascination with “addition by subtraction.” We didn’t have a 5-4 stretch (and much better) WITH cozens this year? Nevermind the “good” cozens we thought we had two years ago. We still need that. Simply removing Cozens isn’t the team building we need, it’s just the start No it was the lack of Cozens that made our goalie stand on his head in tribute

Bernard docker is a god

Great assist by Quinn wiped

Zach Bogosian

Right, your immediate move is of course to pin me on another rigid, black and white stance because those are seemingly the only parameters by which your stance is capable of seeing this: Full-stop declarations based on faux certainty. “You just always go BPA”. Which, logically, implies you always can identify who is “best.” Not just now, but for in the future. As if you can be so sure all other factors can be ignored without question: BPA simply is. No context required. No, I wouldn’t have drafted Kotkaniemi. Of course I wouldn’t have drafted Kotkaniemi. Because I wouldn’t be clinging to positional need to a rigid failt, refusing to take into account all context. Up to and including the fact the perceptional gap at the time between Dahlin and Kotkaniemi was larger than the Grand Canyon

Byram is still popping off the page, here

Everyone’s mileage will vary on this but for the life of me I’ll never be able to understand how things like this can be uttered, and then in a matter of moments you can cross reference it with posts about how “trades are impossible” for Buffalo, and “everyone has a NMC” and “no one wants to come here” and be witness to the struggles we’ve seen with Adams trying to swings deals and then just be like “figure it out later.” huh? BPA is a *guideline*. It’s not an unadjustable, immovable creed. The fact it’s treated as such is such an extreme, outlier opinion. It has a logical end. Let’s say, just hypothetically, we take Schaefer this year. And let’s say, not unreasonably, we finish with a top 5 pick next year, and, also reasonably, “BPA” in that spot is a LHD. You go LHD again? At a certain point you are willingly watering down the value of your assets by not only contributing to a surplus at the expense of a dearth elsewhere (remember, the goal is *team building*, now, not asset accumulation), there is literally zero guarantee it can be rectified on the trade front. You are *so certain* of the gap when projecting out 18 year olds that systemic need *cant* be a consideration? “Best” *can’t* factor in position played, because you’ve, without a doubt, dialed in on the *objective* future talent gap? nonsense. There are fine arguments for BPA, but “you just always go BPA” isn’t a good one. Tasking a general manager with likely needing to make a trade, or a severely INCREASED liklihood they’ll have to make a trade, needs to be at least a consideration. It can’t just be tossed aside to the tune of “worry about that later”, because BPA is just The Way the Truth and the Life The modus operandi of this franchise is kicking the can down the road. The sooner that ends the sooner we can return to relevance

I wouldn’t necessarily make any of those assumptions, but: Moving Peterka just creates another hole. I still could easily see Greenway on L4, or you can easily bump Kulich down. Or, sure, you can trade him, too. Or you can just play him as an injury fill in because someone is *going* to be hurt. There’s always an erroneous element of rigidity when we do these things because we need more than 12 guys for 12 spots. There will be room for a good player. We NEED to make room for a good player