Ducky
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1 minute ago, Curt said:
Be careful. 19 year old prospects don’t always work like that.
I know they don't but I trust the organization not to rush him and to develop him properly.
Scheif was drafted in 2011 and didn't really play until the 13-14 season. Laine is the only player I can think of off the top of my head that made the team straight out of the draft.
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1 minute ago, Curt said:
One of Connor/Ehlers, along with Copp, and Perfetti. Maybe?
KC, Copp and Perfetti? I'd have to think long and hard but I'd probably do it.
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13 minutes ago, Hoss said:
No chance. That’s far too much. Reinhart has real value in that deal so it wouldn’t make sense to pair him and Eichel when you should be getting close to that deal with Eichel alone.
Like you said, Risto adds nothing to the deal.
KC 38g in 72 games last year and 26 in 56 this year while enduring his longest slump in the pros. I believe he has the 4th or 5th most goals in the last 4 years. KC is the reason Chevy could afford to trade Laine's goals away. This is his 2nd year of a 50m over 7 year contract.
Pionk 45 pts in 72 games last year and 32 in 54 this year. He was paired with the anchor that is Forbort for the great majority of the season. Our best D this year and a RFA after this year. 3m AAV the last two years.
Perfetti will play on the Jets next year if not allowed to play in the AHL. Probably a future 1C for us but for sure a 2C.
The first is a first not much to say really. Picking around 18th I think.
Too much in my books.
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2 hours ago, Hoss said:
Indeed though he played and produced as a center in the AHL already.
From what I hear his skating is vastly improved and he really developed well on the Moose. He played center and got the player of the month in April? I think.
No way in the world do we give up a 1st, Scheif, Pionk (our best D this year) and Perfetti for Jack and Risto.
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2 hours ago, Thorny said:
You said like two weeks ago that you'd trade Scheifele for Jack hands down. What changed your mind?
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"You'd trade them straight up?
Scheif has the better contract but JE is younger and better.
I'd make the trade in a heartbeat.
Play him with KC and Ehlers with no A or C on his sweater and he probably scores close to 100 points...as long as we upgrade our D and coach.
Scheif and Maurice for Eichel!" - Ducky (won't let me quote the post)
Should get Scheifele instead of Connor
Otherwise I don't particularly like it
Just wondering what it would take without Scheif involved in the deal. I'd still trade Scheif straight up for Eichel in a heartbeat.
KC Eichel Ehlers would be one of the best lines in the league.
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5 hours ago, Hoss said:
Basically the same deal. Risto doesn’t really add much to these Deals.
I'd probably do it if it were Rhino and not Risto.
3 hours ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said:I might go for that, although I would prefer getting a centre as well. What would we need to add to get, say, Appleton? @Ducky?
Apples hasn't played center for us. He pretty much plays on Lowry's right wing. I wouldn't be interested in Risto in that proposal. I would be if it were Rhino.
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3 hours ago, Hoss said:
Not a lot in the way of prospects of interest and nothing up the middle so it’s a tough match but Connor, Pionk and Ehlers are some names that come to mind.
Perfetti, Connor, Pionk and a 1st for Jack and Risto.
What if it were just Jack and no Risto?
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What would it take from the Jets?
Scheif and Helle are off the table.
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7 hours ago, French Collection said:
If the Jets lose, is Maurice on the hot seat?
I have always liked him and would snap him up if available.
I hope he is gone.
PLD and Ehlers might not play and Copper was in a non-contact jersey and didn't play the last game of the season.
I hope that if PLD and Ehlers (I don't expect him to play at least the first 2 games) don't play, it doesn't give Maurice an excuse and Chevy keeps him. He is set to make 3m next two seasons with the 2nd one being a club option. If he's fired, I expect him to be swooped up by Seattle.
He's a good coach for teams with young up and coming players but not sold on him once a team has "come of age".
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Beer and pizza. Can't go wrong.
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Lots of good players are/were whiners.
Gretzky/Hawerchuk/Crosby/Toews/Scheif/Bobby Clarke/Doughty come to mind off of the top of my head. I think that they think the bitching and complaining helps, especially in the playoffs.
ex. ... "Watch that guy, every time I go into the corner he's hooking/slashing/holding me." My opinion anyway...
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On 5/13/2021 at 9:26 AM, Weave said:
I wonder what the Canada roster looks like. The USA roster looks weaker than any I can recall from the past.
Perfetti is going.
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2 hours ago, fiftyone said:
To play devils advocate here -- is it not true (honestly am asking, don't know) that the vaccine doesn't stop anyone from getting the virus or even passing it on? It just prevents you from dying, essentially? I believe that's what i've read.
Assuming that's true, doesn't that change the thought process of vaccinated vs not? Once you've been vaccinated, you will (probably) no longer die from the virus. But you can still get it and pass it along, whether that be from another vaccinated person or an unvaccinated person?
"Germs can travel quickly through a community and make a lot of people sick. If enough people get sick, it can lead to an outbreak. But when enough people are vaccinated against a certain disease, the germs can’t travel as easily from person to person — and the entire community is less likely to get the disease.
That means even people who can’t get vaccinated will have some protection from getting sick. And if a person does get sick, there’s less chance of an outbreak because it’s harder for the disease to spread. Eventually, the disease becomes rare — and sometimes, it’s wiped out altogether."
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2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:
It's not your body your choice because let's say a hypothetical you isn't vaccinated and you pass it on... you now have taken your body and forced that choice onto someone else.
Better yet what happens if Covid mutates because it has enough vectors to keep spreading, not your body or choice anymore as you spread that mutation around starting this entire GD thing over again.
You in this necessary is a hypothetical person, not you specifically Scotty.
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Byfield, Turcotte, a 1st and 2nd is exactly the type of trade the Sabres should do but I can't see why the Kings would do it seeing as they are in a re-build mode. I'd try to squeeze a bit more out of them if they are hot for Eichel, especially if another team in their division is bidding for him.
Risto doesn't want to be there?...gone. No use keeping players that don't want to be there.
Rhino won't sign long term?...gone.
Should be able to get 2 more first round picks plus for those two players.
Anybody else that doesn't want to be a Sabre?...gone.
Do not overpay anyone just to keep them.
Next season play your youngsters and live with their mistakes and see which players are keepers.
Drafting or trading for a #1 goalie should be high on the list as well. Play the hell out of him and let him see lots of different situations while the team is rebuilding.
Every team's objective should be to win the cup but in reality the Sabres are more than a little bit away so you might as well see what you have and get some high draft picks the next couple of years and let those players all come together and peak at more or less the same time.
Keep some vets like KO to show the youngsters the way.
As far as Skinner goes, I really don't know what should be done with him. The NMC he has really handcuffs the team.
I know the Sabres' fans are running out of patience but a proper rebuild is probably the way to go. Go through 3 or so lean years and then start making the playoffs consistently while building a legitimate contender.
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2 hours ago, Thorny said:
This isn't the lame ass corners of the sporting internet you must visit where everyone just blindly defends their team and stands firm on their opinions regardless of intelligent arguments that might otherwise sway them. This is Sabrespace.
I don't need to avoid saying something bad about the contract of a guy on another team because one of that team's loyal followers might take a shot at my team, which I must then illogically defend to the death.
Ya, the Sabres have had a ton of bad contracts.
We know. We've shared a few thoughts about it, actually. Over the years.
I am not a big believer of +/- especially for offence first players but after your post I looked it up. Lots of offence first players have bad +/-.
Dahlin E Staal N. Patrick Rhino Laine Savard Hughes Olofsson Sanheim Miller Wheeler are the top 11 in order...silly stat if you ask me.
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9 hours ago, Thorny said:
Assuredly a putrid contract, Wheeler has among the worst defensive metrics in the league, actively harming the Jets far more than he helps, the other team consistently dominating while he’s on the ice - contributing significant negative value and more goals against than for.
Don’t let the empty calorie secondary assists and power play points fool you - I’m not normally a plus minus guy, but the extremes can be telling: on a team with a +14 positive differential, Wheeler is a team worst -19, more than TRIPLE the negative of anyone else on the roster.
A truly terrible contact that’s only getting worse with age, I’ve yet to meet a Jets fan (aside from Ducky) who doesn’t actively consider it among the league’s worst deals.
Jets scored 5 last night and Wheeler (on pace for 74 points in 82 games) had 4 points but ya, his contract is worse than Skinner's, Vlasic's, Ladd's, KO's, Johanssen's, Eriksson's, Seabrook's, etc...
Anyone on the Sabres have 44 points this year or on pace for 74 points? Rhino and Eichel maybe but that is probably it and they are gone this time next year.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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I can't see the Ducks trading for him as they are in a re-build now mode. I also think they have to add to Zegras like a 1st and a player like Manson.
NYR, LA, CBJ?, and Minny are believable.
CBJ could trade Jones (re-signed) and he would be a great partner for Dahlin, a 1st and another substantial add. They'd be hot to get Eichel to play with Laine to try to get his game back although I don't think Laine is there for more than 2 more years.
Philly always like to make a big splash. I also think the Blues will take a crack at him. Vegas would but they can't afford him...only dressed 15 skaters the other night because of cap issues.
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4 hours ago, Thorny said:
Oh, so you don't like the Wheeler deal?
Hindsight 20/20, right?
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He's on a 74 point pace in a 82 game schedule this year but truth be told, I wanted him gone before he signed the extension. I was suggesting to trade him to OTT for Stone and more and Jets fans jumped all over me. He would have got more in free agency though.
The difference is, I am not sitting here telling you I said something when in fact I said something else. I know what I said and I admit it.
Oh ya. He'll be 37 when his contract ends. He's 34 and has 3 more years. Not a boat anchor of a contract but not a good one.
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
Ya. I mean, it quickly revealed itself to be a bad decision. Like I always say, it's about results. I was wrong at the time, so what. I even said in my follow up that I quoted that it "seemed reasonable at the time" so I didn't know how much blame we could attribute. A move can be the wrong move objectively and there still be mitigating factors. It's not always black or white. Like I said there, it was a pattern with Botterill that he didn't get any value deals: it wasn't a one-off. That became an issue.
Right. You got me, I was wrong at the time. I'm glad I wasn't being paid to make the decisions. Chevy would have signed him.
Chevy is a pretty good GM but I have problems with his loyalty. Wheeler 5 x 8.25m...Perreault 4.125m x 4.
He does get some good contracts signed though. It'll be interesting to see what PLD does next year and what he signs him for.
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
Ya. I mean, it quickly revealed itself to be a bad decision. Like I always say, it's about results. I was wrong at the time, so what. I even said in my follow up that I quoted that it "seemed reasonable at the time" so I didn't know how much blame we could attribute. A move can be the wrong move objectively and there still be mitigating factors. It's not always black or white. Like I said there, it was a pattern with Botterill that he didn't get any value deals: it wasn't a one-off. That became an issue.
I'm not arguing that. I am pointing that you said you called for a long term deal when, in fact, you were calling for and then liked the bridge...big difference.
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
I actually mention Scheifele here, too coincidentally
Hindsight, that comment was a season AFTER Rhino signed the bridge.
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Not sure if this works but it is page 23 for the day of the signing.
The other comment was July 6th, 2018 of the same thread.
Also, complaining about it after the fact is hindsight and anyone's vision should be 20/20 with hindsight.
I was wrong about JBot as well as I thought he was going to do very well. I did agree with the extension to Rhino at the time as well. For a player taken as high as he did and putting up the numbers he did, I would never sign a player long term for big bucks.
Jack Eichel: Trade rumors and speculation
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No interest whatsoever in Risto. Rhino would have to be extended for around 5 years if he is included in a major deal.
Also, trading Pionk leaves a gaping hole on the right side of D. We haven't got over losing Buff, Trouba and Myers in one off season yet.