Ducky
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This was your comment the day of the signing...
"This is a great, value deal from Botterill (that we haven't been used to seeing a lot of) that I think says a lot about how he does business.
It therefore says a lot about how Botterill must view Jack Eichel. To give him the deal he gave him, right off the hop."
Seems you were quite pleased with JBot as well...
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
No, they should have locked him up at the same time the Jets locked up Ehlers - coming off his ELC. That's how the Jets got a good contract with him, and how we indisputably *would* have gotten one, with Sam. That's already been proven. How do you "stand by" the idea that he shouldn't have gotten locked up when we can see now that it would have been worth it?
Is this like how you stand by that Crosby is bad defensively even though we proved you wrong?
Look what I found on this site on July 6, 2018. You wanted a 2 year bridge.
"I'm hoping for a 2 year bridge deal. I was tempted to say 3 years, but it might be better if Reinhart, Mittelstadt, and Dahlin aren't all up at once. They can sign Reino to a longer term deal after that, assuming it's warranted, or even after the first year if Botterill thinks Sam is primed for a breakout after watching him again this coming season."
Seems you wanted a bridge deal, doesn't it???
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
No, they should have locked him up at the same time the Jets locked up Ehlers - coming off his ELC. That's how the Jets got a good contract with him, and how we indisputably *would* have gotten one, with Sam. That's already been proven. How do you "stand by" the idea that he shouldn't have gotten locked up when we can see now that it would have been worth it?
Is this like how you stand by that Crosby is bad defensively even though we proved you wrong?
Hindsight is 20/20. If you ask me, Ehlers has barely lived up to his deal until this year. Knowing what you know now you should have locked him up but you didn't know that then. Were you calling for him to be locked up after his ELC. If you weren't, you don't have a foot to stand on. If you were, what dollar amount were you suggesting.
Ehlers first three years were 38, 64 and60 points.
Rhino's were 42, 47 and 50 points.
Similar first years and then Ehlers pulled away from Rhino.
How mcuh would he have gotten locked up in a 6 year deal? 4.75m? 5m? Do you think he would have signed for that? I'll bet he would have taken 45m-48m over 7 years last year but we will never know.
The fact of the matter is he should have been locked up last year and he wasn't and Adams gave ALL the leverage to Rhino by giving him a one year deal. Horrible decision.
Now, if they don't lock him up and I would think they would have to seriously have to overpay him to get him to stay, Eichel is even one step closer to the door. Horrible decision.
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I'd offer Seattle a 1st this year and a 3rd in 2023 and eat 1m of his contract but I highly doubt he wants to play in Seattle.
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1 hour ago, Hoss said:
The qualifying offer thing isn’t an issue. He’d get that much on a long-term contract anyways.
Yup, from the Flames he certainly will.
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2 hours ago, Buffalonill said:
34g
23 g
11g
Decline
Maturity issues .
- Organizing ( the puck steal ) with his teammates to steal a puck And shoots it down the ice when Caught
- 9 million dollar qualifying offer
Calgary Flames Players Frustrated with Matthew Tkachuk’s Antics
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Aren't qualifying offers 120% of the AAV?
7 x 1.2 = 8.4m Still too much but he'll get it. they don't have much else there.
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1 hour ago, Curt said:
I feel like teams don’t trade their best players either though. The NHL is just very conservative.
To everyone, when is the last time that a team traded their best NHL player, or their best prospect? I’m struggling. ROR? PK Subban/Weber?
Was PLD the CBJ's best player...Jones?
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1 hour ago, jsb said:
Dubois got Laine and Roslovic, do you really think Jack won't get a bunch more than that?? And everyone knew Columbus was getting rid of him also. DuBois isn't in Jack's class. Now Risto and or Reinhart to Calgary might make sense but you don't give Jack away without pulling up a U-Haul truck for the return. Best bet is to get him out of the conference so you'd only have to deal with him twice a year. First thing though is you have to make the effort to win him back and if that's an impossible task you don't move him until someone fills that U-Haul truck to your liking and if you're trading him it'll be better to get a young players return as opposed to trying to win with a vet who will not want to stick around until the team is ready to win
I agree with this post 100%.
Monahan, Kachook, Anderson and a 1st would be enough for Eichel but you are getting taken to the cleaners if you include Rhino.
Monahan is an ok 2C that has scored 76 points in the last 120 games over the last two seasons and almost ALWAYS plays with Johnny regular season Hockey. I wouldn't trade him straight up for Rhino.
If the flames are getting Rhino and Eichel the deal would have to be centered around Lindell and Zary with a ton of adds. Add 2 first round picks, Anderson or Hanifin and a few other adds.
I know people like Kachook but I wouldn't want him on my team...or his brother for that matter.
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3 hours ago, Drag0nDan said:
2yr 7.3M in 2018. Didn't try to extend and buyout the remaining RFA years. So that left him with 2 years of control after the contract he signed with JB.
That's a normal and fair bridge isn't it? He averaged 47 points a season on his ELC. The problem was not locking him up last year, not his bridge. I said so when he signed it and I stand by it.
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If Rhino goes to arbitration, there is no way he stays.
As far as publicly complaining about not making the playoffs, that should never be mentioned in public. That is for behind closed doors with your agent and GM.
Little played 7 years without one playoff game and didn't utter a peep but he is a consumate pro.
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
If we deal Jack for futures, playoffs next season are off the table.
So this is something you've experienced most recently, what...a decade ago?
I believe that the Sabres don't make the playoffs next season even if Jack stays. Too hard of a decision and not enough talented players on the team not to mention you don't have a starting goalie signed.
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1 hour ago, Thorny said:
But he keeps playoffs/contending in the viewable horizon and provides an avenue for success in a much more realistic fashion than dumping him for a grab bag of futures would
He fills the vacuum so Cozens and Casey aren’t sucked into it
It’s a hockey trade.
You think the playoffs are on the horizon by trading Jack for Scheif?
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1 hour ago, Drag0nDan said:
Doesn't reino have to have an appetite for a long-term deal? JB's failure to bridge rein is really the mistake here.
I thought he was bridged and Adams signed him to the one year deal (giving Rhino ALL the leverage)?
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1 minute ago, Thorny said:
With all the PP1 time? Yes. He’s a very good offensive player. We need to give him wingers but yes.
It’s not about him making us a contender. It’s an unwinnable trade. But he keeps playoffs/contending in the viewable horizon and provides an avenue for success in a much more realistic fashion than dumping him for a grab bag of futures would
Fans need to realize the Sabres will not be a contender for a minimum of at LEAST 3 years and maybe more. You need a bona fide goalie, but most of all you need a competent GM. I would have fired him as soon as he signed Rhino to that one year deal.
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6 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said:
Scheif has a M-NTC. So you have to assume that's out. Why would he leave a playoff team to play 3 years and decrease his value?
I was asked if I would make the trade and I answered yes I would. I am not saying it would happen.
5 minutes ago, Thorny said:Right? It’s a no brainer! There are people here who think the JETS would say no. Eichel would light winnipeg on fire with Connor and Ehlers.
The issue is his NMC. Does Chevy have anything on him to get him to waive it? Haha
It’s not that I normally would want that 1 for 1, but if we HAVE to trade Jack, a point a game centre is a far more palatable return than prospects.
Every day. All day.
Scheif is not going to turn this team into a contender. Do you think he is a point-a-game player on the Sabres?
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Just now, Thorny said:
Why not?
You'd trade them straight up?
Scheif has the better contract but JE is younger and better.
I'd make the trade in a heartbeat.
Play him with KC and Ehlers with no A or C on his sweater and he probably scores close to 100 points...as long as we upgrade our D and coach.
Scheif and Maurice for Eichel!
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3 hours ago, Thorny said:
Ask @Duckywhat he thinks. Would the Jets trade Scheifele for Jack?
Have you SEEN the streak the Jets have been on? They *are* struggling
Anybody would straight up but that isn't happening.
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Just watched the interview.
Sadly, I think Eichel is gone. He's a better center than Scheif and I'd hate it if he wanted out. I'd love him on the Jets but it will never happen.
This is definitely Pegula's fault and nobody else's.
Hiring an inexperienced GM was/is a grave mistake and it shows. Eichel should have been given an A, if anything, not the C (I know Adams didn't do this). I really couldn't believe when Rhino was signed to a one year deal. He's a consistent 60-65 point man, why not lock him up??? I'd fire Adams as soon as the regular season ended. Get a veteran GM and let him build the team and don't meddle.
I honestly don't think his interview hurt his value because he is a legitimate top 5 center. You guys will get a ton back for him and there will be multiple offers for him. I can guarantee you that 31 teams will be phoning to see what it would cost to pry him out of Buffalo.
In my opinion, a futures laced deal along with a half decent center is the way to go. Cozens has 1C written all over him but it won't be next season. This team will not be a contender for 4 or so years so I wouldn't waste the return on older players.
You should be able to pick up a decent center along with one or two 1st round picks and one or two blue chip prospects. Build around Dahlin and Cozens. Draft well without trading top picks away. The fans need to be patient and trading Eichel will more or less force this.
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5 hours ago, Thorny said:
I think everyone is, at this point.
It's almost unfair McDavid is getting to beat up on the North division for 56 straight games. I wouldn't be surprised if this season represents the best points per game of his career.
What a season.
In fairness, in spite of a chasm between McDavid and Eichel, there is barely a side-walk crack between the Oilers results and ours, since. They've made the playoffs, what, once?
And that's with the gap between McDavid and Eichel AND Draisaitl and Reinhart. Their fan experience, if you measure it in playoffs wins, has been largely similar to ours, anyways.
yup.
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19 hours ago, Curt said:
Sorry, I honestly don’t get it. 🤷🏻♂️
my opinion still stands and the rest of that group are not good defensively
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2 hours ago, Curt said:
You are wrong but aren’t going to change your opinion?
Thats ok. I’m just throwing info out there.
Keep on reading you will get there
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22 minutes ago, Curt said:
NHL players seem to disagree with you. According to a NHLPA poll last season. Crosby won most complete player, receiving 45% of the vote.
Read the rest of the sentence you quoted...
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3 minutes ago, Thorny said:
Crosby was 4th in Selke voting in 2018-19!
Maybe I am wrong and my bias is showing there but my opinion still stands and the rest of that group are not good defensively but ***** on him all you want, it is evident you don't like Scheif. Not sure why, envious maybe.
Like I said, at 6.125m x 8 years, I don't have too many complaints. Better than a ppg player for the last 4 or 5 years.
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Crosby, McJ and Drai being bad defensively is a fact and you can add P. Kane to that list as well.
IF the Sabres trade Jack and Sam...
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Not what you said on July/18 or the day of his signing...good sir.