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It can't be just Adams though, you have to clear the entire room.

I have no clue why. Similar linemates, seems to be healthier than in the past 2 years, yet dreadful play and its not a short term slump, we are almost 1/3 of the way through the season. The ONLY thing I think of is Lindy. Not that Lindy doesn't like him, nor does he not like Lindy. Just sometimes even a small change in style/coaching can impact players. That is all I have. But he went from being a nearly 13% shooter to basically Zero (only goal being empty net, hasn't beaten a goalie all year). There is one difference you can see from NHL edge shooting charts that doesn't make sense, especially if he is healthy. He is not going to the high danger areas or not taking shots from there. Its almost like he is afraid of the front of the net like never before: -This year through the entire year, he has 1, ONE shot from high danger areas (from the crease out, no farther out than the dots, between the dots). Lets compare that to 2022-23, in 75 games he had 42. So yeah, 2 years ago he went to the front of the net and took shots from there 42 times. If you project what he is doing this year, he is on pace for THREE shots per 75 games from the same area. Is it he just isn't taking shots from there? or has he become totally allergic to being anywhere in front of the net? In games where Quinn isn't with Cozens, the other wingers that are with Cozens are going to the net and getting shots, but not Quinn when he is there. So, I get that he might do better with a different playmaking center, but why is he not even going to the net when Benson, Zucker, and Peterka are when playing with Cozens? Its not the coaching. Cozens already has 18 this year. Tage has 10. Tuch has 18. Benson 12. Peterka 12. But Quinn, again, just 1. Why?

The problem with Tage on wing is he seems to work best when not along the boards. Many of his goals are when he has room both to his left and to his right. 11 of his goals this year according to NHL edge are between the dots. 25 of his 29 last year were between the dots. The previous year he had 28 goals alone from either right in front of the net or between the inside of the circles. I know that is the prime scoring area for everyone, but if he is that good between the dots and he is the best shooter/best hands on your team, I want him in the position to take the most shots from those areas. Now maybe some of their data is off by a few feet (going off of diagrams) but the thing is, other than a one-timer on the PP or a set play, he doesn't score well on rushing coming up the ice on the wing. He is most dangerous front and center of the net.

McLeod to me doesn't make a lot of bad mistakes. He plays a more 'veteran' game. I just posted elsewhere, but guys like Quinn, Cozens, Krebs, Kulich...I would not put them on the ice together without at least one, and preferably 2 veterans with them anymore. They all take turns, maybe on the bench, but you pair them with 2 guys like McLeod, Greenway, Zucker, and hopefully someone else you can acquire to fill out the 2nd line. I'd almost rather have Malenstyn even fill in on the 3rd line with those guys rather than continuing to pair the young guys together. It should have been done 2 seasons ago, not letting the young guys 'develop' together. but you can't undo that damage, only hope to minimize it now.

I myself have underestimated the need for veterans..for overpaying for some semi-quality vets as part of development. The issue with this team now may not be drafting poorly...it may not be awful development in the minors....it may not be bad signings or trades. Instead, not paying money when you did have room under the cap, possibly overpaying. Someone else just brought this up, and I'm sure a few of the veteran posters have brought this up over the last year or two. What if, in the last 2-3 years, you signed a vet, either as a free agent or you worked out a trade, and paid a 30 year old who scored 18-22 goals per year $6-$7m over 3 years? For that production it is an overpay. But if you had room under the cap, how much of a value would 1, 2, or maybe even 3 of those guys be to pair with the young guys? Have a guy or two like that on a line with Peterka or Quinn instead of having Quinn, Peterka, and Cozens all 'develop' together? What if you took a 'Good' Dman that wouldn't come here for market value, but you gave that 28-30 year old guy who got $5 someplace else and you gave him $7m here for 3 years...so when Power or Dahlin were in a slump you could pair them with a vet...and you are paying them $7 per year not for their production but for having SOME production and being a settling influence with the young guys. Erik Johnson was a good idea last year, but I'm talking paying possibly a LOT more to get someone better than him. You had the cap room. I criticize Pegula alot, and I'm going to take a shot at him here that may or may not be true. I would think that Adams and the hockey department WOULD want to do something like the above and WOULD want to spend to the cap....but after being burned with bad contracts in the past, it may have been (and I think it was) Pegula that limited the spending and had a desire to stay 'under' the cap until the team started to play better...instead of the other way around. Paul Hamilton and one of the other Sabres beat guys (forgot the other one) both said that 2 offseasons ago the Sabres were considered an up-and-coming team and they were getting calls from agents asking about coming to Buffalo. That was their chance to do all of the above. But after last season and so far this season, they blew it. So what do you do now? McLeod centers a line with Zucker (or Greenway when he gets back), you throw Cozens on that wing. That would be a start. TWO vets with just ONE of the struggling young guys. Quinn doesn't play for a while until there is an injury or if you want to swap him in for Cozens and Cozens sits. My main priority trading this season is to get a good center or a very good winger (at least 5-6 years experience and at least 26-27 years old) to fill out the 2nd/3rd line. Quinn, Cozens, Krebs, Kulich, even Peterka can play, but you do not put 2 of them (of course not all 3 of them) together on the ice at the same time.

If you had a solid 2nd line, you could use your '3rd line' to work in guys like Kulich (or Rosen). With your first 2 lines producing, and your 4th line your energy/d-zone start line...the 3rd line could have some vets on it that you pair with the rookie, and allow that rookie/younger guy to play a 2 way game, tell him to take some offensive risks, but with some vets on the line with him to help him along/cover for him. Of course, with nothing close to even a respectable 2nd line, that isn't even an option.

You quoted the example I put of "in board meetings" I'm not sure why? you are saying that is how I see it and its not true? I am seeing capital letters/shouting that others aren't? If that is not the case I'm not sure why that was included in your quote. You are obviously the one that needs to feel justified in your posts. As others have said, you have WAY too many replies that are short, vague, with no substance and filled with sarcasm. That is how I see it, and obviously that is how others see it. It appears the only person, up until this point, who sees things your way is the person with the sticky 'caps lock' key.

So was your post on the previous page where you said "YOU IN THE BOARD MEETINGS??????" Shouting, in addition to the apparent lack of a verb. And yet when I read all the posts, it is you and Trips that use the sarcasm and shouting that comes across to not just myself, but apparently a few other people as exhausting and angry.

Bingo.

Ok, you are using caps shouting and your argument sounds like its coming from a 3rd grader who is saying something and shouting 'gotcha' after you say it. I always say its a message board so anyone can say what they want, but it does show the level of a particular poster when they don't engage in conversatation but rather resort to all caps or put a post with nothing but sarcasm because they can't articulate their point beyond that (see post immediately above this for an example).

This is a message board, not a court of law, I don't have to prove anything to support my post BUT if you want proof, i'm not typing it all over but look through my posts about this topic in the past month, or take a look through the older thread titled "the trial of Terry Pegula". In it there are a LOT of articles, Quotes from Terry himself, quotes from reporters who were in the room, stories written by credible sources/news sites giving examples. Again, I'm not going to take a hour to repost it but you don't have to search the whole internet, there stories and quotes are on this forum. There is a whole lot of smoke, and some actual fire there.

Yeah, he gave me a 'thumbs down' to my post above. I didn't really give an opinion, more stating the fact that the less he knows about one of his teams and the less he is involved with them at a roster level, the more successful they are. That is true, not sure why he gave that a 'thumbs down' other than its devastating to his argument. 🤷‍♂️

Agree ownership is the problem. I think in the top 6, I'm also 100% happy with Tage also. One of the more dangerous players in the league. Tuch is "OK", but I'd like if he were a guy who could/would score 5-7 more on the first line. 2nd line is garbage.

If you could get something of value for Cozens I would be all for it. I just don't think someone that is on his 2nd season away from that 30 goal season, and makes as many mistakes as he does (he is the worst positional player at forward I have ever seen) and that 30 goal year was obviously an outlier in that he shot almost 15% to do it (his other seasons shooting were 6.5%, 8.1%, 9.2% 9.0%, 8.3%). Maybe you are right and I'm not, but I just don't think other teams will look at him and say "Lets give you a top center and have the centerpiece of the return you give s being a guy who most of his career is 'high teens' goal scorer who is awful defensively and usually shoots in the single digits for his career, but we are hope he will turn into what he was for one single season and has shown zero signs of doing it for almost a full year and a half after. Oh, and we are going to allocate $7m of cap space to him.

Agreed. When he bought the Sabres he didn't even know anything about the Bandits other than they existed, by his own words. I don't think there has ever been a public sighting or account of him at a bandits game and sitting next to/talking to leadership of them. As for the bills, there are many more layers of management and complexity between him and the roster. If anything, brining up the Bills and Bandits with regard to the Sabres further illustrates that his involvement into the roster and his communication with managment....well, the amount of input he has that way is directly related to the lack of success of a franchise he owns.

Tage is good enough and dangerous enough to be a first liner. The issue is the 2nd line. The mistake was made 2 years ago when Cozens was given that deal. When you pay him $7 per year, it would take a lot of courage to take him off of your 2nd line. This management, this ownership, does not have that courage or humility to admit that mistake. Tage, Tuch, and Peterka are scoring at an 82 game rate of 52 goals, 24 goals, and 26 goals respectively. Not GREAT, but that is over a 100 goal pace for a first line with a cumulative +28. You can win with that. The 2nd line with the forced anchor of Cozens is the issue. Cozens, Quinn, and lets just say Benson. Their pace is currently at 18, 3, and 11 goals and a cumulative -52. This is where the issue is. An 82 game pace of 32 goals with a -52 is absurd for a 2nd line, almost ANY line. Sometimes the forwards making neutral zone mistakes or mistakes without the puck put the Defense back 6 of this team in tough positions, where they have to cover for the forwards and in doing so it makes them look like they are making mistakes when in reality they are in bad positions to start with. Cozens to me is obviously the forward that is the most guilty of that, Quinn is getting close to him though, getting worse as the season goes on. My point is many times where the Defense looks bad, it is often when that 2nd line is out there and making those mistakes up front that make the D-unit look bad. And again, that 2nd line production is mostly a factor of you forcing Cozens into a role because you are justifying a mistake made a couple years ago. Keep that first line together, the 3rd line, the 4th line, the entire defense......and the ONLY change you made was replacing the Sabres 2nd line with a competent 2nd line, this team is probably in a borderline playoff spot right now.

I had already written off Krebs last year and mentally I am OK with him this year because he is playing slightly better than my super low expections. Cozens is this regime/Adams/Pegula's biggest mistake. What is he and what is he worth? He should be a 3rd line winger. He should be getting paid in the $3.5m dollar range. He should not be on the Power play at all. He should not have an "A". He should be regarded as a player that when he makes dumb mistakes, and he makes a LOT Of them, that he isn't so important that he can't be benched. With little to no power play time and with the 3rd line winger minutes he would likely be a 12-15 goal per year guy. If when you signed him that to that deal, if he didn't want it, then you should have traded him or let someone else offer sheet him. I know, hindsight....etc. You game him the $7m per year. The problem now is you are compounding that mistake by giving him the minutes, the PP time, the center position and the "A", none of which he earns with his play...but rather 'earns' it by the mistake of a contract you offered him and he signed.

His exact comments. Did he point out issues in just this game? did he talk about the bigger picture? did he 'name names?' stuff like that.

I'm not say send Cozens to Rochester, I meant demote him on the roster. Get him off the Power Play, have him play a couple less minutes per game even strength than he does now.

I agree to an extent. I think Lindy is a better 'win now' coach, but that doesn't mean Granato was as bad as people think. I listen to Lindy in his press conferences, see what he is talking about. Hear limited things about what he says and does in practice and I truly think the game has not passed him by, I still think he is very capable coach but even he can't get this turned around. I'm not sure there was (or is) any coach on the open market that would 1.) come here and take the job...and...2.) accomplish much more with this current team.

No season tickets for me but as far as individuals go, no way I am taking a chance of showing up at a game live. I like watching at home better but would go to a game every once in a while. But I want to feel like there is an above average chance they will win if I'm going to show up in person. Losing record at home this year. Just about .500 at home last year. Losing record at home the year before. Losing record at home the year before that. Losing record at home the year before that. I have no idea how I would even consider going to a home game with that situation. 29 games BELOW .500 at home over the last 4 1/3 seasons. Even for a bad team, that is almost incomprehensible.

Yeah, now that it was brought up I wish I saw/heard it.

Beating the already-been-dead-for-awhile horse here, but some serious questions: -Why hasn't Quinn been in Rochester for a while now? Can he be sent down or not? He has not scored a goal by beating a goalie all year, is making dumb defensive plays and brings nothing to the team at all. -Why has Lindy not demoted Cozens? Why does he lead the team in Powerplay minutes this year for forwards when he has a total of 4 power play goals combined this year and last and is shooting 8.8%? Why does he keep getting top minutes overall, when he was a minus player on a plus team last year....and is the worst plus-minus this year next to the above mentioned Quinn? He only scored in the teens in goals last year and is on pace for the teens this year (WITH high offensive zone start percentages and a lot of power play time), and even the most simple of eye test shows he is either a turnover machine or makes dumb plays without the puck that lead to turnovers or scoring chances against? Why is he not 100% off the powerplay (put Mcleod in there he can't be worse) and why is he not getting 3rd line even strength minutes at most? With Cozens, he can have an awful game both offensively and Defensively, yet Granato didn't pull him back, and now Ruff doesn't pull him back. How do both of those coaches not bench him for a game or two or reduce his role, even for a game or two? I know many of us have talked about the above points over and over, but does anyone have a legit reason(s) why to the above?

Only when he as good news to announce or talk about. He's much more likely to show up at the hiring of someone than the firing. My guess is if he fires Adams, it would be done by press release, and you would not hear from Terry at all until the next guy is hired and he can show up and be all happy and full of smiles.

I didn't watch much of the post game show. What was it that was said or conveyed by him?