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Or if the goal is playoffs or bust.

Forton was pretty clear that they thought there was a huge equal cluster after their top 7. The trade down is superfluous to the Sabres. @Thorny’s right in the sense of do you want a good NHLer as he declines for the next 3 years, or a good prospect as he improves 3 years from now?

I saw the rumour that the goal was to add a right shot D and 2 top 6 forwards. I said “how the ***** are they going to do that?” Kesselrun Kyrou and Rust are a right shot D and 2 top 6 forwards.

I wonder how much this has to do with more Sabre fans OK with this one more than I thought, and more than the average NHL fan?

I don't know that the + is #9 but I do think there is a +. Kleber was my ballpark.

When I said lesser piece, i meant lesser than Kyrou, not "bad". Basically, a Helenius-level piece the Sabres might need more than they do. Blues need centre and RD more than other positions.

Helenius, Kleber and Byram for Kyrou and a lesser piece?

Pretty sure Kyrou is pretty much exclusively a winger these days. Also pretty much a guaranteed 30-goal man who has been bad defensively most of his career. He has a no-trade that kicks in Tuesday. Really, he's an older, better Peterka. Blues have Fowler, Faulk and Leddy on left D who have similar games to Byram but they are also a lot older. They also have nothing like Byram in the pipeline and a lot of forward prospects coming. Both teams have a lot of pieces that could be used as sweeteners. I guess I could see it if St. Louis sees the need to reset. Less so if it's about this year.

Isn't it Kellersing? Sorry, not picking on you, just laughing at how it seems pretty clear we have another Byrum (my personal trap) or Reinhardt on our hands.

Interesting theory, although it seems it would have clearly involved tampering of some sort. I would imagine prospect-loaded Utah would have rather given up the picks, so I guess in your scenario Adams would have used the threat to match as leverage in order to get what he wanted, which reports seem to indicate was very clearly Kesselring?

I guess the best thing about O'Brien is that he addresses the organizational need for playmaking centre even though he superficially might look like a "more of the same" pick.

One of the Insiders (Dreger?) gave some insight on how the issue with Byram is not really a long-term offer sheet, its about his willingness to walk himself to free agency. Sounds like he may be perfectly happy to sign a one or 2 year deal with Sabres or elsewhere. What Bo wants most is apparently not money or location, its role and fit, and his willingness to sign a long-term contract is tied to that. That matters to the Sabres as they consider his future, but it also matters to the team that acquires him and may affect trade offers. Personally, I'd set the trade bar at the equivalent of the 1st, 2nd 3rd offer sheet level. If someone offers that, or offer sheets him, I take it. If they don't, I give him a 1- or 2-year deal to play on the 1st pair with Ras and see how things play out.

Wonder if the Dobson trade is affecting Byram talks? Gotta be an overlap in interested teams.

Not enough has been made about Peterka being a UFA at 28. They're looking at the AAV and ignoring the term. 2nd contract players who get paid 1st-line money get that money for giving up UFA years on the principle that UFA years are worth more. For example, JJ's new teammate Clayton Keller gave away 4 UFA years in order to sign a $7.1M AAV deal. Nick Suzuki gave away 4 to sign a $7.8M deal. Lucas Raymond, same deal for $8M. JJ gave up just 1 and still got $7.7.

Curious about how that works from the player’s perspective. Is there a clause that requires a qualifying offer? For example, right now Ethan Miedema is free to sign anywhere because the Sabres didn’t offer him a contract. Under the new rule, he’s banned from pursuing NHL work elsewhere until 22?

Do you really want Krebs fighting in practice again?

I have said nothing about Peterka being a “bad apple” and I spoke out in favour of trading him long before last night. I thought he was a talented cherry-picker who refused to get his hands dirty and backchecked like a 6-year-old. He was handed a golden path to the first line without ever having to earn it or shoulder the responsibilities that came with the role. He didn’t earn the contract he just signed any more than any of Adams favoured children and I’m glad we didn’t give it to him. And I guess he did pretty much force his way out of town. But apparently we’re not allowed to talk about such things because they somehow obscure how awful Kevyn and Terry are? We know how awful Kevyn and Terry are. Nothing gets talked about around here more.

They both did. It’s gospel for some on here that “nobody wants to come to Buffalo.” Here are 2 guys who very clearly are happy to be coming to Buffalo. “Closer to family, Tage is a cool guy, Dahlin and Power are great players” and most importantly “I’m going to get an opportunity to show people how good I can be.” It’s kinda like @thorny’s thing upthread about the Savoie trade: the truth is there are probably as many opinions about trades as there are internet accounts and none of them really mean much once the puck drops. I remember being real excited about getting Chris Gratton and really pissed off about flipping Alex Mogilny for skinny little Mike Peca. The original Hasek trade? It was a shrug. What the ***** do I know? Maybe we get lucky and these kids can make a difference: isn’t that what fandom is built on? At least they’re changing something.

Just do what you should have done 2 years ago: make the kids earn their ice time and surround them with people who live to that standard on and off the ice. Thought struck me while watching the Kesselring/Doan videos: those are two kids who have fought through some adversity to get to where they are, something that too few of Kevyn's kids went through.

I find the fact you like Peterka a hard nut to crack. To me, he's everything you claim to hate about the Sabres. You'd also think that a guy who has been pounding the keyboard for years for size, grit, discipline, culture etc. might be at least moderately intrigued by an attempt to add players who are both cut from precisely that cloth. Don't get me wrong, I'm not surprised you don't like the trade; On the contrary, I'd be surprised if you did. The one position you are very consistent in taking is "If the Sabres did it, it was probably the wrong move." And I understand how that's the safest path. I mean, when has it ever steered you wrong? 😁

So Dreger said the Peterka trade has juiced the Bo Byram talks. Told Marty and Duffer that teams that had kind of faded because Buffalo’s push to get a RHD included in a Byram deal have been reenergized because Kesselring has made that less of a need. Dreger says the serious interest in Byram is 6-8 teams deep. Kings, Vegas, St. Louis, Philly, Toronto and (“weirdly”, he said) Colorado among those named among the front runners.

Age and contract are bad for Rust. Play style and personality are the opposite.

Doan and Tage played together at the Worlds and I’d be surprised if they haven’t skated together in Arizona.

Lot of people on here pointed out that if they were bringing in any “good” forwards, they had to create both cap space and roster space. The Peterka trade does exactly that. If we thought our GM had a clue, and our owner spent money, we’d probably be anticipating that’s exactly why we picked Doan and Kesselring over Kyrou. Hope it’s better than the Penguin rumours, but I might prefer that to the money being left unspent. At least Peterka and futures for Rust, Kesselring and Doan would constitute trying to be good this year.

This move sure opens the door for those rumoured Rust or Rakell for Huselius or #9 short-term gain for long-term pain deals. Should I be worried? Excited?