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This point trumps all. Let's not forget the image of the two happy boys strutting down the hall to the locker room. I would be curious to know their real answers if asked, but I suspect either would be happy to give up their natural position to keep playing on the same line together.

Unless you have a gun or are trained to disarm someone at close range, I suggest you cowtow, otherwise you will be damned fer shure. These events are inevitable when people are made to be angry and afraid of each other. And I'm sure you'll "speak up" at the moment an officer wrongs you in the field. You tell that cop where to go for me.

I'm going to wrap this up into a nice package with a bright red bow. Note: "you" refers to the grand "you", not anyone in particular, and you can read "me" in the same vein. You can think I'm a whack-a-doodle right winger conspiracy guy. I can think you're a selfish, ignorant head case. None of that matters. What matters is that all of this upset in the country, in the world, is a distraction. The elites of the world have always tried to concentrate power. The elites of the past have never gone away, they have just changed form over time. When someone has power and some capital, they join the ranks of the elite. Most want to stay there, others are compelled. We see the machinations of the elite all of the time. Obama is an overt manifestation, Hillary is an overt manifestation. The Bushes, many of the high-ranking Republican and Democrat Congress-people. It goes on. This stuff, BLM, again immigration, the economy, all of these things have two aims: tear us down and give cause to rebuild it in a way that keeps the elite in power. There are people who serve the elite without even knowing it, for reasons they don't even realize: the media, scores of people online. They take advantage of your insecurities and feed into your need to "do and be good". You should angry not at the likes of me, but at them. THEM! They construct these scenarios, seduce you into supporting their aims, and they are the only ones who profit from it.

The data is the data. I guess you don't buy into fancystats for hockey, either, right? You'd rather be swayed by mediated, contextual, anecdotal evidence? Okay.

The myth of the killer-cop ‘epidemic’ How about instead of making people feel like they can/should contest a cop when he/she pulls you over, you teach them to swallow their pride and go through the motions so everyone comes out on the other side safely.

Dude. Criminals who pose a threat get shot - black, white, Hispanic, Chinese, whatever. You are implying the number of blacks shot by cops prior to the Obama era was out of proportion - like a plague. Where do you get this from? Here's a quick read. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. More whites and Hispanics die from police homicides than blacks. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. Read the article which is stat based. It's short and makes the point. You are allowing yourself to be manipulated by the state. BLM peaceful? Ha! Black Community News: The Real Power and Purpose Behind the ‘Black Lives Matter’ Movement Of course, this is a story from a Black Christian Conservative new site. I guess you'll have to deal with the dissonance such a source causes before actually reading the article.

Kane's reputation preceded him, and prior to this he was already the subject of an investigation. ROR's reputation preceded him, too, for what that's worth. You're talking apples and oranges. Kane was and is a reformation project marked by multiple publickly known incidents. ROR had one public incident...period. We're all allowed to err. ROR erred once. Kane seems to routinely err. That's the difference.

Don't worry, your fellow conformists will descend upon me in a fury in no time, confirming your world-view, and assuring you can sleep at night knowing that little blip on the radar was just an anomaly. A bit of undigested potato. "Fundamentally" - an important word in context.

Words and reality are not the same thing. The reality is that Obama has ruled fundamentally unobstructed. Yeah, and Bill Maher is about as insightful as a moldy teddy bear. Excellent reference, though, it makes me think. That's right. Off the rails because the crazy right-winger is talking. "La-la-la-la-la I don't hear you, you look funny and say weird things, la-la-la-la-la".

What have we heard about ROR antics since? Were we treated to ROR antics prior to his DWI incident? I think ROR released a video on how to train and on leadership prior to this. What did we know about Kane prior to this? Do we need to recount the antics? A repeat "offensive person" is a repeat "offensive person" regardless of skin color. And, frankly, screw your attempt at injecting white-guilt into this conversation. This board is far better than that.

Excuse you, what exactly has Obama wanted that was obstructed? And, really, for eight years, a Trump-led birther movement has gotten in Obama's way? Yeah, let's re-hash the infinitely re-hashed. "Hands up, don't shoot" is a myth, created to foment division. Led by Soros, condoned by the Democrat party. This is ridiculous. Add in immigration, health care chaos, and other, myriad small issues, it adds up to an obvious, intentional attempt to break the country down. Books have been written on how to this, speeches made outlining this strategy. Some of you are like the nobility in France and England, putting your faith in the royalty to "do the right thing" when people suffer and die around you. But you view those people as a different class - you're the cool class, wanting to be popular, or least don't want to be unpopular. You aren't brave enough (or, as you'd say, bat-sh$t crazy enough) to see things any differently - to take the FACTS and HISTORY and piece them together in any other way except the way the keeps you in the graces of the elite, no matter how much they don't notice you. You're conformists - you conform to serve yourself, to the peril of the people around you, your country, your neighbors, even your family. It's obvious - Hillary gets a pass that would have taken down lesser people a long time ago. Obama could easily take control of many of these issues and almost instantly make them better. He does not. Instead he keeps the myth going. Who here really believes the cops are out of control and are hunting down black people? Do you know any cops? WTF. Check it: the scene, downtown Dallas, Texas. A huge crowd marching through the street, shouting "stop shooting us, down with pigs, shoot the police...." Shots ring out, everyone panics - and run behind the police for safety - expecting the very people they were protesting against jump in to save them. That's fu%king crazy right there.

...and manage Kane's behavior as best as possible until that point. So, time passes and Kane is "quiet" enough that his trade value raises high enough, or he becomes an expansion sacrifice for the team. In either scenario he benefits the team.

Okay. If that's true, it doesn't really change the theory.

Of course.

You're describing the difference between a person alone versus and person amongst a group. The person alone is the person defined.

I think Vesey's ELC would be two years.

Yeah, it's based on a fabrication. Once you wrap your head around the concept that the Obama administration has created and condoned these conditions, everything rolls down hill. Occam's razor. Yes, I know, it will never happen here. Wish I could remember a great quote I heard not too long about people who willfully deny the reality around them - but it was great. All other countries just want to love us, the USA will always exist as the USA, our government can't possibly want more control over the people, people don't kill people - guns kill people. Reading this thread alone, you'd think there is a significant (read: over 5%) number of the police force lock-and-loaded and ready to kill any black dude they see. Ridiculous posturing and, frankly, fully bought and owned by the NWO movement.

The internet is a reflection of people. People are bitter and uninviting in general. If people were otherwise, so would be the internet.

That was you, huh? You sound like you look. I don't know if this has been brought up already, but it occurred to me that what they're REALLY negotiating is the not the ELC, but the RFA contract to follow. Other than line-mates, usage, and surrounds, it's likely what Vesey is interested to hear about is "what will you do, or what position will we all be in, when the ELC ends?" For all we know, they are looking for a contract extension six months into his ELC.

I had thought about that a while ago and figured A) probably not a lot o' money in it and B) if I'm charging, I'm liable for copyright issues.

Here, I made you an avatar.

I think you should go all vigilante on him. You know where he lives.

Yeah, but P. Kane was guilty regardless of the outcome. Don't you remember? The people prosecuting him (P. Kane) before the DA made his final statement were right all along.

I hope you and TBPhD aren't implying my reaction to "'Merica"/"'Murica" is gut-level and without reason.

I thought Kane was figuring out how to be effective with Jack and Samson toward the end of last season. Might be better to try an Ennis/Vesey, ROR, Okposo combination to start the year.