K-9
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Anyone who doubts cronyism is rampant in Terry Pegula's world isn't paying attention.
Anyone who thinks it is the real reason Mike Babcock isn't in Buffalo (because of a vague reference by Mike Harrington of all people!) is willfully ignoring the obvious: Mr. and Mrs. Babcock preferred life in Toronto and the challenge of the Leafs.
Joe Battista is my favourite Sabrespace character.
Not doubting cronyism at all. It's not unusual for uber successful people to surround themselves with people they have a certain comfort level with.
I doubt that Battista has any say in what Murray and his department are tasked with, what processes Murray's department create and follow, and what personnel Murray chooses for his team. He reports directly to Pegula and that in itself should serve to remove any doubts about Battista's involvement along those lines.
At least for reasonable people.
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McEichel would have been the correct choice
I saw few of those at games. And I appreciated the better context, too.
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So now a digression from and a contradiction to an earlier point made in an opinion piece written by a journalist with an axe to grind passes for a "media" report?
The total disregard for every other ACTUAL media reports since yesterday in order to support the narrative by both Harrington and the click-hungry crowd here is both lazy and intellectually dishonest.
At best.
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Ah, the case of the missing bio. I remember it well. It came up missing right after the strawberries. Others thought it to be mere coincidence, but not me. No, not me. As soon as the bio also went missing, I knew I had them.
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Yes, Pegula is simply interested in having cronies run his team. That's why he never bothered to hire PLF to find a qualified GM or attempt to make Babcock the highest paid coach in history.
We now continue with our regularly scheduled narrative of misery.
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1.) False. Murray kind of qualified that by saying "maybe I shouldn't say this but..."1. In hockey 9 times out of 10 what you see at face value is what it is. – Tim Murray (True or False?)
2. In the wake of Babcock signing with the Tront, Dan Bylsma is the coach that would bring Buffalo the most league-wide credibility. (Agree or Disagree)
3. Do something with #21 in the 2015 Draft. Choose one: (A) Take Pick, B)Trade Up, C) Trade for Player
4. What are the odds of Terry Pegula resurrecting a 2017 version of the Empire Network (as a percentage % chance).
5. What recently successful NHL franchise is at the beginning of a downward trajectory? (Name Team)
2.) Disagree only because it is not a question of credibility.
3.) Trade it for a player, preferably as part of a package for O'Reilly.
4.) 100%, but maybe not by 2017. I think it will be sooner.
5.) Boston
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Does Murray strike anyone as the type to tolerate superfluous layers of bureaucracy that interferes with his job? One would think that the fact he reports directly to Pegula would be enough to put that to rest.
But there always has to be a bad guy.
Always has to be a conspiracy.
Always has to be a reason to be disappointed.
I've decided not to let the tinfoil crowd ruin my enjoyment. I think, like the Sullsys and Harringtons of the world, their real motivation is to generate clicks and nothing more. To be contrarian just for contrarian's sake. Ultimately, it adds little.
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Look folks, the simple fact is that ever since Pegula chastised the BN for being so negative four years ago, they have been frozen out. And the Sullys, Gleasons, and Harringtons continue to be insulted. "Chatter" my ass.
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So is it as stated in the first two paragraphs:
He wanted to be in the self-proclaimed Center of the Hockey Universe and so did his family. No offense, Buffalo or Detroit. Or San Jose or St. Louis or anyone else.
You’re not Toronto. Babcock could have gotten his $50 million at First Niagara Center, too. But he wanted the chance to rescue a desperate Original Six franchise.
Or is it as stated in paragraph 13:
source familiar with the negotiations agreed, saying Babcock’s issue was far more with the layers of people in the front office and around Terry Pegula.
Are we to believe that Babcock would have given up everything he wanted if not for the "layers" and Battista?
Great point. Classic case of a Harrington contradiction.
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He was saying that Murray came off great and citing it as an example as to why they should make him more accessible.
^Exactly.
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Was just reading an article a about the press conference and Shanny said that their offer to Babcock never changed. So, Toronto's original offer was the same 10yr, $50m deal he agreed to yesterday.
Right.
Going to great lengths to fend off criticism that Babcock agreed to deal with Sabres and then shopped it to the Leafs, apparently.
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Permission? From whom I wonder. Ghost, maybe?Craig Custance:
Sabres moving on quickly from Babcock. Have received permission to interview Dan Bylsma.
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I doubt the Toronto media wouldn't have questioned Babcock's character if the situation was reversed.
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I'd kick the tires on Dineen. I know it's all about the talent to execute it, but I love how the Blackhawks play hockey and if he brought that kind of philosophy, I think our players would like it, too.
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This is dog chow's finest hour!
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It's wrong if, even with a poor group of players, he convinced you he isn't a good coach at the NHL level. I submit he did just that in the eyes of Murray and others. Throw in their inability to communicate well with each other, makes a ton of sense for Murray to have fired him.My whole deal with Nolan: He should have been given the opportunity to finish his contract with a good solid young lineup as I believe he coaches youth well. that is all: Give the man a fair shake then release him if the results are not what you expected. Is that so wrong???
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If Toronto wants to build a championship contender, they have to rebuild, not retool. They simply don't have the centermen to just trade Pheneuf and/or Kessel for other pieces and start the winning train. Hell, they might not even get Strome in the draft (I really hope Arizona takes him now). Kadri is alright but nobody is building their team around him, and Nylander projects to wing at the NHL level, not center. Oh, and Bozak sucks. If Toronto does the Toronto thing and goes for a quick fix or a half-assed rebuild, they're going to be as bad to mediocre as they've been for a decade.
I think they're actually going to show some resolve and be patient, but I hope not.
Agree with your take entirely. Even if they get Strome, I won't be impressed. That kid is a ways away from being an NHL centerman at this point. He was downright exposed in the last couple rounds of the Otters' playoffs.
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Godspeed, eman. There is this, though, When they start picking on your carriage returns, and the snark replies pick up, you might just have them on the run. Be prepared to be called a troll, or to be told you have a narrative, any moment now.
Look, PA, if saying you seem to have a narrative offended you, please accept my apology. But are you going to deny you have a propensity to look for and find villains in Sabreland?
And why does there always have to be a bad guy, anyway?
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This team imploded due to a totally dysfunctional locker room. I don't care how good a coach is, there is no magic wand that fixes that level of internal strife. Given how bad they were down the stretch last season, I doubt these players are capable of finding the essential team bond required to turn it around so I think some big parts will have to be shipped out. Fixing teams via FAgency seldom works unless your core is able to absorb new guys without missing a beat. Toronto's core blew up.
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It seems to be getting a little more common though. Just look at Frank Gore a few months back. Wasn't there someone else in the NFL who also did the same thing? We're only going to see more of it now that we have 24 hour access to all of this stuff, or at least the perception that we have access to the whole process.
This is a fair point to be sure.
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For those of you saying this is just business – I disagree. Sports leagues are small communities. This isn't your normal job interview with company and a and there's 100 other companies with no relation to yours.
If there was a verbal agreement then it isn't just business – Breaking that agreement is a crappy thing to do.
My only wish for him now is to have all the success that Brian Burke had up there and to step in a steaming pile of dog ######.
Agreed. Breaking an agreement in principle is virtually unheard of in pro sports so I find the comparison to other businesses a bit off. And I'm not so sure it happens all that frequently in other businesses, either. Negotiating in bad faith is frowned upon, regardless of the type of business in which that negotiating is conducted. If all the reports about Babcock's turnaround are true, it just doesn't reflect well on the man.
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Beyond what he might have said — OK, guys, sounds good, I'll let you know for sure tomorrow — what could he have done that would be so wrong? Take the Sabres' deal to the Leafs? That seems like standard operating procedure in a negotiation.
I'm getting hung up on the wording. How could a deal have been "in place"?
It is. But if what the Sabres have said is true and they thought Babcock had agreed to their deal (to the point of setting up a press conference to announce it if Tim Graham is to be believed), then it's anything but a standard procedure. It's the epitome of not negotiating in good faith and that's never standard procedure.
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When was the offer pulled? Again, the reporting is that Babcock notified them he was out.
Ah, gotcha now. I misunderstood the previous context, so disregard my question.
I think it's still not good form if Babcock gave the Sabres the strong impression that he agreed to the deal in principle and then backed out once Toronto was reported to be back in the picture. I mean Toronto wasn't even mentioned yesterday in the midst of all the "it's down to Detroit and Buffalo" reports.
Anyway, I'm over it.
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I understand. If I was understood I'd probably be married to some broad and posting on a slow pitch softball board.....
You can be hot and cold....which I appreciate, because it shows that someone is using their senses and not their greed. The honest fans are the theromstat of my soul.
And someone could have just :rolleyes: .......and still be an honest fan. That's the point.
Good stuff, here.
"Thermostat of my soul." Nice. I need to use that in the future.
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Would you like to make a friendly charity wager that if the Sabres don't hire Dan Bylsma as coach.....I say the Leafs will have more points in the standings than the Sabres for the next 2 years?
I mean...more points next year......more points in '16-'17........
Here's where the rubber meets the road. I never said Babcock was a bad coach....I was just looking at the person. If the Sabres hire Bylsma, I want no part of the wager. Anyone else....Toronto is the better option and I am in. If the Sabres hired Torts....I'd take the hit just to win the Cup next year. :)
Serious proposition.......
If Babcock spreads himself too thin with other player personnel issues (think Bowman when he came here), and he can't immediately turn around the lockerroom attitude from last year (and it was bad), I don't give him much of a chance with that roster in the short term. I think they'll actually finish worse than last year.
Let me mull it over.
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Except the reports are that Babcock notified the Sabres at 11:35 a.m. or something that they were out.
Not sure what that has to do with reneging on a deal he reportedly reached in principle with the Sabres yesterday.
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The 'layers of people' around TP — THEY'RE PEOPLE! TELL THEM! — also: fookin' Battista
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At the risk of again getting "DUDED!", knowing who Battista was 18 months ago couldn't be more irrelevant to what Murray is tasked with.
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