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The term you started it off with felt derogatory to me. If I read something into that which wasn't there, that's on me. I'm not around teenagers or 20 somethings, so I have no idea, but it does seem like most of these labels wind up being used that way.

Don't forget Doan & Kesselring. They don't have a ton of time in the NHL yet either and could certainly improve their scoring this year.

I am not sure it is possible to have a conversation this nuanced on the internet and have it be productive.

KA’s dream of internal growth from Benson, Kulich, Quinn and Power can make up 10 goals. I still think he hasn’t done enough in regards to team building and instilling team toughness but they should be able to generate offense.

We also said we wouldnt trade Cozens, Mitts and Peterka....the only one we did say was Byram lol and he is still here

Marriage, no Kids, yes

I just want to know if marriage will toughen him up by any amount? Again, he will never be Pronger but there is a lot of room for growth, give us 10% more Owen.

Local radio station just played Sweet Leaf, this song represents the rock and roll lifestyle that Sabbath was all about plus a basic, thunderous sound.

Dust has settled and it appears the goalie carousel has stopped. I like Lyons and think Buffalo did a good job bringing him in, but did they actually improve the goaltending? Do we have the worst goaltending in the East? If not, who would you rank below us? How would you rank all 16 Eastern teams? To help this along... I limited to 5v5mins and 1000 minutes or more of TOI. That's roughly around 17 games played which helps eliminate some of the other fringe goalies. UPL ranks 53rd with -12.6gsaa (goals saved above average). Alex Lyon is at 42 with a -4.77gsaa. This is out of 58 qualifying goalies. Now we should note that I am not looing at GSAA based on TOI so Lyons has less but he also has half the toi.

Out from Buffalo: Cozens, Peterka, Clifton, Lafferty, JBD, Reimer In for Buffalo: Norris, Kesselring, Doan, Timmins, Danforth, Lyon It is roughly around 50goals out and 40goals in.

What a weirdo thing to say... Anyway, Ozzy was a one of a kind man and he will be missed.

I likewise have no issue with it - in a vacuum. It does make me wonder a bit, though. As I've said. And by "wonder," I don't mean I'm actually judging and concluding. Like I'm actually wondering.

Yes, which again is why I have no issue with Owen Power getting married. Dude can do what he wants.

I don’t see it this way at all even if you simplify it down to just players in, players out and ignore the depth guys. it’s Norris Kesselring Doan for Cozens Jokiharju and Peterka. Goals scored that’s 34 in, 46 out. It’s not 20 or 30 the defence needs to make up, it’s 12. But it’s way more complicated than that. How will the moves affect the power play, the PK, line chemistry, line matchups, situational deployments, the forecheck, the backcheck, puck battles, rush offence, rush defence, exits and entries, the cycle game, getting to the net, blocking out, D zone structure, the room…? Hockey is a complicated soup.

And social norms. And the realities imposed (generated) by modern economies.

I'm familiar with hyperbole. It's appropriate in some situations. I'm not sure it played here when you're just characterizing some posts about Power's vibe. There were several wedding pictures that I saw - the one above was not among them. They were all in a church and were very, well, as I said, trad(itional). As for my inquiry being "stupid," to each their own. There's no need to be unkind, imo. Having been married in religious settings at 24 and 22 years of age (I think) and leading what I infer are religiously-based lives, Thompson and Power are unusual among their generational cohort generally and, I think, even more unusual among their pro hockey peers. Like I said above: I'm not sure what to make of that. If anything! By way of further context: I'm a religious person. I attend services every weekend (mostly). I'm active in my faith community. If any of my kids in their early 20s were regular church-goers and got married to someone I thought was good for them, I'd be delighted. To varying degrees, that hasn't quite happened yet. Edit: I'm religious as in: I'm a heavily post Vatican II Cafeteria Catholic. I definitely vibed with my share of guitar masses. And the Jesuits -- who skew pretty liberal -- are my preferred religious order of priests.

Religion. FTR Wookie, I have no issue at all with holding traditional values or Power getting married. I also dont have any issue with religions.

Saw him at Ozzfest at Darien Lake (2008?). Played on the 2nd stage at like 2 in the afternoon and did about an hour long set... it was great. Closed with Crazy Train.

I think we all understand that at a minimum Tuch and Thompson are on the verge of demanding a trade if the team does not win this season. Wouldn’t be surprised if Dahlin is added to that list. I think it is fair to say the situation here has reached crisis stage. There is no data at all suggesting that Power and Quinn (at least, and an argument can be made for Benson too if he is to be used in a top 6 role) are at a point where the team can count on them to positively contribute to making the playoffs this year. Your stubbornness regarding these prospects would put this team back into teardown mode if they cannot take the next step, because it would result in us losing at least 2 of the core players on the roster. It is unnecessary risk given they are assets that could be moved for players that have proven they can perform at a playoff level. I agree with Thorny. As much as you say you dislike KA as a GM, you would operate similarly.

You are familiar with hyperbole, correct? I'm just not sure why a wedding picture is the inspiration for these observations/criticisms, but like I said, the offseason sucks. It brings on the stupid.

Was listening to Brad May say the same thing... players would love to come here if ownership hadnt created the pit of Misery... Dilly Dilly

I worry about this too... but in the end... we are going to have to see if we play better defensively without him... however the Norris concept... I think we got raked if this guy cant stay healthy...

Huge loss....

I have always been in the anyone is available for trade, including Phil Esposito, Pierre Turgeon, Pat LaFontaine etc... so I am fine trading literally anyone on this team... I have two requirements however LOL 1. Its not Adams making those trades 2. We get the best player in the trade Since 1. is not possible at this point, and 2 based on our history and reputation is about as impossible as me dunking a basket ball... I am going to agree with you...