rakish Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Reddit found McKenzie's list leaked a couple days ago, and I got some paying work coming up, so I decided to get this done today. Since I couldn't drum up any interest from Sabres' pundits, I considered moving to Las Vegas, those 5,6 or 8 top 40 picks would've been fun, but, I'm no fun. If Botterill trades pick 8 before draft day, I will re-reconsider. Unless we have a (very welcome) late entry, these are our six contestants. I'm going to do something new with Bob's list. His 100 runs out after the first 5 rounds, so I'm going to tack on the CSS NA list so he gets all his picks. Bob's list is stronger than I expected as many of the weaker picks have slid past 8. Also from reddit comes Corey Pronman. From TSN comes Craig Button. If you haven't be following Mom's, Craig had a very good 2014, but 2015 and 2016, as yet, not so much. Botterill gets his picks. He has the biggest advantage since I might choose someone in the 2nd round that he picks in the 3rd, but if he chooses someone in the 2nd, they come off the board, I don't get to pick him in the 3rd. That, and he has a staff, and gets to interview the kids, and gets all the exercise data. Canucksarmy has a list similar in technique to mine. I don't see a complete list link at canucks army, but here's the first 8. #1 - Nolen Patrick#2 - Nico Hischier#3 – Cody Glass#4 – Gabriel Vilardi#5 – Elias Pettersson#6 – Timothy Liljegren#7 – Casey Mittelstadt#8 – Nick Suzuki My list will reshuffle a bit if Botterill trades #8 and I move to Vegas (basically Boqvist moves down, as I hope to get him with the 30th pick instead of the 15th pick), but this is it as it stands now. I obviously don't list everyone, for instance Rasmussen will be long gone by the time my list would get to him. I'll be back after the draft to list who each contestant chose. Nolan Patrick TIMOTHY LILJEGREN ELIAS PETTERSSON NICHOLAS SUZUKI NICO HISCHIER GABRIEL VILARDI JESPER BOQVIST CALLAN FOOTE JUUSO VÄLIMÄKI ERIK BRÄNNSTRÖM LIAS ANDERSSON KAILER YAMAMOTO URHO VAAKANAINEN Connor Timmins Mason Shaw JASON ROBERTSON Joshua Brook Mikey Anderson MARCUS DAVIDSSON KOLE LIND Nicolas Hague Robin Salo ARTYOM MINULIN HENRI JOKIHARJU DAVID FARRANCE Cale Fleury IGOR SHVYRYOV BRINSON PASICHNUK DENIS SMIRNOV KRISTAPS ZILE DYLAN COGHLAN ANDREI ALTYBARMAKYAN PETRUS PALMU JERRY TURKULAINEN or ARTYOM MANUKYAN or ZACH SOLOW GUSTAV LINDSTRÖM NICHOLAS CAMPOLI KLIM KOSTIN BRYCE MISLEY ROBERT THOMAS ROMAN IVASHOV JOHNNY KOVACEVIC JOSEPH DUSZAK Phillipe Myers WILL REILLY KRIS MYLLARI BRENNAN MENELL PAVEL YELSHANSKY MATTHEW BRASSARD IVAN KOVALYOV Matt Timms KEVIN HANCOCK William Pethrus DMITRI RODIONYCHEV MAX GILDON Scooter Brickley BEN MIRAGEAS Ivan LodniaPAVEL SHENFABIAN ZETTERLUND FILIP CHYTIL MAXIM MIZYURIN JERRY TURKULAINEN or ARTYOM MANUKYAN or ZACH SOLOW JERRY TURKULAINEN or ARTYOM MANUKYAN or ZACH SOLOW Dominik Lakatos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 I wish I had time this year but for the next 3 weeks I am going to be slammed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Rakish I think should explain the rules more clearly to those who may be interested. Even I am a little fuzzy on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Rakish I think should explain the rules more clearly to those who may be interested. Even I am a little fuzzy on it. Agreed. I have no idea what's going on or what anything has to do with the thread title. I am completely at sea here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted June 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 My apologies The intent is to see how different methodologies work as far as drafting. So the draft contest, called Mom's Basement Stakes, compares the draft of different pundits that produce draft lists. Let's look at an example of how it works. This is Button's top 10 1 Hishier2 Patrick3 Makar4 Glass5 Heiskanen6 Valardi7 Necas8 Pettersson9 Mittlestadt10 Lilgegren If, at pick 8, Hishier, Patrick, Makar, Mittlestadt, Lilgegren, Suzuki, and Foote have been drafted, then Button, for pick 8, would get Glass. Under the same scenario, my top 10 looks like Nolan Patrick TIMOTHY LILJEGREN ELIAS PETTERSSON NICHOLAS SUZUKI NICO HISCHIER GABRIEL VILARDI JESPER BOQVIST CALLAN FOOTE JUUSO VÄLIMÄKI And as Pettersson is the highest undrafted player on my board, I would get him at pick 8 (if Buffalo uses pick 8) The top of Pronman's board looks like: 1 Nico Hischier C Halifax QMJHL2 Nolan Patrick C Brandon WHL3 Gabriel Vilardi C Windsor OHL4 Cody Glass C Portland WHL5 Nick Suzuki C Owen Sound OHL6 Owen Tippett RW Mississauga OHL7 Eeli Tolvanen RW Sioux City USHL8 Miro Heiskanen D HIFK Liiga9 Klim Kostin C/LW Dynamo Moscow KHL10 Kristian Vesalainen LW/RW Frolunda SHL Under this scenario, Pronman would get Vilardi at 8. We do the same analysis for each Buffalo pick, and the group of picks will denote the pundits team for that season, then we watch how the different teams do. So my team will look something like #8 - Pettersson #37 - Boqvist #58 - Joshua Brook #74 - Denis Smirnov etc. If you look at past drafts, at www.45b.us, say 2014. You'll see Button had a real nice draft with 5 players that are still prospects or playing well. I'm second, Hockey News and Tim Murray are being crushed, Hockey News partly to injury (Axel Holmstrom) and partly that Sam Bennett has not fared well the past couple years. In the end, it's a learning tool, each year I see the things that work and the things that don't work, and try to correct them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 So basically rank a list of players paying special attention to where Buffalo will pick. You will probably have to rank about the top 100-150 players to get all the way through the draft. This is your draft board and you must take the highest ranked player left at each of Buffalo's positions. For example when I rank Jokiharju at #20 on my list and he is there at #38 I get him at #38 if the other 19 players ahead of him are taken. So if you hate a prospect, don't put them on your list. For example Kempe and Boeser would have been higher on my list then they were drafted. In Kempe's case I wouldn't have gotten him anyways. In Boeser's case I would have, thanks Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted June 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Right, the number of players on your list depends on how mainstream you are. McKenzie will run out of picks even though he has 100. In my case Tippett will be gone before Boqvist, and since I prefer Boqvist, there's really no need to have Tippett on my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted June 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 How do I change the topic to make is Mom's Basement Stakes (rakii's draft contest)? The results are in, we next look at this for the WJC to see how your players did. It's actually a good first indicator. Botterill:8 Casey Mittelstadt (C/LW)37 Marcus Davidsson (C/W)54 Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen (G) 89 Oskari Laaksonen (D)99 Jacob Bryson (D) 192 Linus Weissbach (LW/RW)rakish:8 TIMOTHY LILJEGREN (D)37 Mason Shaw (F)54 Joshua Brook (D)89 Mikey Anderson (D)99 ARTYOM MINULIN (D)192 BRINSON PASICHNUK (D)Craig Button:8 Gabriel Vilardi ©37 Alexei Lipanov ©54 Morgan Geekie (C/RW)89 Evan Barratt ©99 Matthew Strome (LW)192 Cayden Primeau (G)Pronman8 Gabriel Vilardi C37 Ivan Lodnia RW54 Joni Ikonen (C/RW)89 David Farrance D99 Markus Phillips (D)192 David Kvasnicka DMcKenzie8 Gabe Vilardi C37 Jason Robertson (LW)54 Michael DiPietro (G)89 Ostap Safin (RW)99 Lucas Elvenes (RW)192 Cayden Primeau (G)canucksarmy8 Gabriel Vilardi ©37 Aleksi Heponiemi ©54 Grant Mismash ©89 Mason Shaw ©99 Matthew Strome (LW)192 Artyom Minulin (D)wingnut8 Vilardi, Gabriel ©37 Maxime Comtois (C/LW)54 Nikita A. Popugayev (RW)89 Matthew Strome (LW)99 Ostap Safin (RW)192 Artem Minulin (D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 REALLY wanted Farrance @ 89. Felix's roommate would've still been there @ 99. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 REALLY wanted Farrance @ 89. Felix's roommate would've still been there @ 99. I think that was my biggest gripe with this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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