Claude Balls Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 What are the odds Montreal would deal him within the division............NOT!!! (although Montreal could use a goalie). He would be a great pick up for some team, most likely in the Western conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 no thanks..... guy is horrid on defense and he can only score with the man advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 no thanks..... guy is horrid on defense and he can only score with the man advantage. Yeah, why would we want the 3rd highest scoring D-man in the league? 20g, 29a, 49pts. Who gives a crap if they come on the power play or not. His +/- sucks, but I'll take the pts anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Yeah, why would we want the 3rd highest scoring D-man in the league? 20g, 29a, 49pts. Who gives a crap if they come on the power play or not. His +/- sucks, but I'll take the pts anyday. He's a liability on 5v5... he's not a good skater and would look lost with our fast-paced team. The guy can't play defense one bit.... whens the last time we talked about a guy who was a scoring machine and couldn't play defense? Uhh.... oh yeah... Andy Delmore. Yeah, he lasted long here. Montreal runs their PP directly thru Souray so he gets more chances, on a more level team, like Delmore when he came here, he wouldn't see the puck as much and wouldn't score, but still would be a liability on defense..... like i said, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogie Oglethorpe Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 whens the last time we talked about a guy who was a scoring machine and couldn't play defense? Uhh.... oh yeah... Andy Delmore. Yeah, he lasted long here. Jaroslav Spacek anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Jaroslav Spacek anyone? The same Spacek who is a +18 this year? The guy personifies consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Comparing Delmore to Souray is assinine. How many games did Delmore play in the NHL. Not even close IMO. So Souray just plays the PP. He could take Peters useless spot on the bench. Christ, Souray even has more PIM than Peters. He would do nothing but improve this team, even if it is just on the PP. Check his stats if you need more proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogie Oglethorpe Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 QUOTE(Ogie Oglethorpe @ Feb 20 2007, 12:35 PM) Jaroslav Spacek anyone? The same Spacek who is a +18 this year? The guy personifies consistency. My argument is based on his PP acumen. He was going to be the point man who tears it up. He gave us a taste early on and since has gone dormant. He's been good, but nowhere near the expectations. I'm counting on a much higher level of play from him starting April 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Jaroslav Spacek anyone? scoring machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Comparing Delmore to Souray is assinine. How many games did Delmore play in the NHL. Not even close IMO. So Souray just plays the PP. He could take Peters useless spot on the bench. Christ, Souray even has more PIM than Peters. He would do nothing but improve this team, even if it is just on the PP. Check his stats if you need more proof. Delmore had 2 great scoring seasons with Nashville before he came to Buffalo, and Souray has only had 3 great scoring seasons? Whats the big deal? And you obviously don't really understand how the system works. Montreal runs their entire PP through Souray since they have nobody good on offense, in Buffalo, we'd still run thru thru the wings and with Briere and Drury, and Souray wouldn't see the puck as much and wouldn't get as many shots. For all the good he'd go here, he'd cost us too much, like, in a tight playoff game where the score is 1-1 all the game, one little mistake by a poor defensive player, and that tight 1-1 game is now 1-2 and we're down 2 games to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Delmore had 2 great scoring seasons with Nashville before he came to Buffalo, and Souray has only had 3 great scoring seasons? Whats the big deal? And you obviously don't really understand how the system works. Montreal runs their entire PP through Souray since they have nobody good on offense, in Buffalo, we'd still run thru thru the wings and with Briere and Drury, and Souray wouldn't see the puck as much and wouldn't get as many shots. For all the good he'd go here, he'd cost us too much, like, in a tight playoff game where the score is 1-1 all the game, one little mistake by a poor defensive player, and that tight 1-1 game is now 1-2 and we're down 2 games to 1. Good point. We all know Kalinin and Campbell never give the puck away at bad times. :doh: Just think of how many more scoring chances off of rebounds guys like Briere, Drury and Vanek would have with Souray's big blast coming in from the point. Right now, the Sabres need someone to shoot the puck on net more during the PP. They still pass way too much. PP has been better, but every game you hear Lorentz getting pissed because the Sabres don't shoot the puck on net enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Good point. We all know Kalinin and Campbell never give the puck away at bad times. :doh: Just think of how many more scoring chances off of rebounds guys like Briere, Drury and Vanek would have with Souray's big blast coming in from the point. Right now, the Sabres need someone to shoot the puck on net more during the PP. They still pass way too much. PP has been better, but every game you hear Lorentz getting pissed because the Sabres don't shoot the puck on net enough. People said the same thing bout Delmore..... 7 points later........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 People said the same thing bout Delmore..... 7 points later........ If Delmore was any good, he would still be in the NHL. Delmore is also a career -36 in 283 NHL games, Souray is a -13 in 485 NHL games. You can have Delmore all day if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 If Delmore was any good, he would still be in the NHL. Delmore is also a career -36 in 283 NHL games, Souray is a -13 in 485 NHL games. You can have Delmore all day if you want. I don't want either guy. +/- isn't that fair to judge though since Delmore played on a poor Nashville team and Souray played in the Devils defensive system.... with a great goalie behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I don't want either guy. +/- isn't that fair to judge though since Delmore played on a poor Nashville team and Souray played in the Devils defensive system.... with a great goalie behind him. Souray plyed 182 games with NJ and 303 with Montreal. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeleslyobvious Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 http://www.nhlnumbers.com/mtl.html That's a very good reason right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 http://www.nhlnumbers.com/mtl.html That's a very good reason right there. Nothing comes for free my friend. Darcy would obviously have to make the right moves in order for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 http://www.nhlnumbers.com/mtl.html That's a very good reason right there. His cap hit is 200,000 more than Marty. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregkash Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 first of all, whoever said Souray can't skate, is obviously wrong. He's very neidermeierlike. He'd only help this team, but there's little to no chance we'd actually get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 first of all, whoever said Souray can't skate, is obviously wrong. He's very neidermeierlike. He'd only help this team, but there's little to no chance we'd actually get him. Like I said, I see no way Montreal would send him here. They don't want to play against him. The only way it would happen is they get Marty (with Huet down), and this way Marty gets to go home to play, which he woud love to do. 1 in a million chance I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poms Away29 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Why was this even brought up? no way this happens.. Its like being a GM 101, don't trade within your own division.. You propose trading marty for him? Um.. I don't know about you but I def. would not want to play against marty esp. if he gets hot. I don't even see Marty going there, even if it is home because he would be Huet's backup next year. Most likely, Souray if he is traded will be shipped out West to SJ for one of their goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Souray plyed 182 games with NJ and 303 with Montreal. Try again. He's a career -30 with Montreal, and a career +17 with the Devils..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit151 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Well, some guy on Eklunds site just claimed he heard Souray to the Sabres, believe it or not, and asked for others to confirm. So far, people are laughing at him. But for the sake of laughs, Souray is a -14, but leads Montreal in scoring. His points come mostly on the PP. I wouldn't mind seeing him here. He's got 14 goals on the PP alone, that offsets the -14. He wouldn't get as much 5 on 5 time with the Sabres. And, if he's on the PP, it doesn't matter if they don't run the PP thru him the same way the Habs do, the opponent still has to set up the PK in such a way that they respect his deadly shot which can allow for 4 on 3 down low. Souray can work well here. He's a tough mutha too and a team guy (see Koivu retribution) Biron for Souray? Within the division? Preposterous. But then again, it's not like it's never happened before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Well, some guy on Eklunds site just claimed he heard Souray to the Sabres, believe it or not, and asked for others to confirm. So far, people are laughing at him. But for the sake of laughs, Souray is a -14, but leads Montreal in scoring. His points come mostly on the PP. I wouldn't mind seeing him here. He's got 14 goals on the PP alone, that offsets the -14. He wouldn't get as much 5 on 5 time with the Sabres. And, if he's on the PP, it doesn't matter if they don't run the PP thru him the same way the Habs do, the opponent still has to set up the PK in such a way that they respect his deadly shot which can allow for 4 on 3 down low. Souray can work well here. He's a tough mutha too and a team guy (see Koivu retribution) Biron for Souray? Within the division? Preposterous. But then again, it's not like it's never happened before. Thank you. It's unlikely to happen, but Souray would help this team alot more than most of what's out there. He's a career -30 with Montreal, and a career +17 with the Devils..... Maybe you haven't noticed, but Buffalo's a little better than Montreal and we have an excellent goalie as well. Souray would only improve this team along with his personal stats. He'd also be the toughest D-man we would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Biron for Souray matches up salary wise but I'd rather see Spaceck for Souray. From Lindy's comments, it sounds like the Sabres are none too happy with Jaro and what away to clear up cap space for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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