JohnC

To put it mildly we are not a destination location. When you build a ramshackle house no one wants to reside in it. Adding talent will mostly be done through trades and internal player development.

I'm with you. At least Zegras and their pick or walk away from the table.

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with your view of Jack. Jack didn't fail---the organization did. Because of the systemic ineptitude starting with the owner this franchise has been erratically run for a decade. Jack isn't the only player who wants out. There are others who are fed up with the disorganization that has led us to again being the worst team in the league. The organization has a lot to do to internally to right the ship.

You hit on the critical issue: What is the timeline to regaining a level of respectability? I can't say for sure. But I do believe that if the multiple trade scenarios materialize and the multiple deals are managed well that this team can be reconfigured to the point that it will be a more competitive team with a visible upward trajectory. The key is getting better goaltending and coaching that is attuned to the young roster. I'm counting on a Granato hiring.

If you were tasked with putting together a trade deal with Anaheim for Jack what would be a reasonable deal for both sides?

I agree that there are a lot of big ifs. If Jack is healthy we will not get an equal value deal. I'm very aware of that. But that doesn't mean that an acceptable deal can't be made. And if an acceptable deal can't be made then don't trade him.

I understand your sentiment. But if Samson and Risto want out and have contract leverage to force a trade then moving the players while they have more value makes sense. The same line of thinking applies to Jack. If he is not fully committed to the direction that the organization is taking then it makes sense to move him. This organization has made a lot of blunders. It has resulted in a level of stagnation where players want out. I don't blame the players. Sometimes when the franchise is in a state of stagnation decisive jolts of action need to be taken to revive the carcass. Whether one likes it or not that's where we are at.

If you look at the listed teams what they have in common is that they have multiple assets that include young players who can play right away. Will we get an equal value deal with a Jack trade? No. When Jack is healthy he is a top 10 -12 player who will rack up impressive stats. If KA ends up trading Jack, Samson and Risto this offseason and handles it smartly the Sabres will have a chance to reshape its roster with the new additions. Will we be a better team? If the goaltending is upgraded and with the infusion of young talent this team will be more competitive than it has been in its recent past.

I told you I am not Italian. I am a Sicilian. There is a difference. Sicilians run their businesses differently. ☠️

That's not true. I identify as a Sicilian. In my value system if you do me wrong or don't show me enough respect it is acceptable to shoot you. Honor has to be upheld. ☠️

If there is a Jack trade I think it is going to take time to construct. The trade deal that I am more attentive to right now is a Samson trade. Because it is going to be less complicated I anticipate it happening before an Eichel deal, if that materializes. That is the transaction that I will be watching for. As exhausting as these potential trades are this has been an interesting and intriguing offseason. Who would have thought that being at the bottom of the heap can make your team the most followed team in the offseason?

It does jive. A person was hired without experience to be the GM to replace the former GM who wouldn't follow the draconian instructions of the owner/s. Adams got the GM job but in reality he wasn't a fully fledged GM. What were his credentials? He was involved with the business side of the Pegula operation and not the hockey operation. From a credential standpoint his hiring was an absurdity. That was an owner decision. The personnel decisions were mostly Krueger decisions. In name KA was the GM but in reality Krueger was driving the operation. It was a crazy setup that I blame the owners for.

As fans being exhausted with what might happen is understandable. But for the GM he needs to be cold blooded and calculating. There is simply too much at stake when it comes to Jack either being traded or kept. The one post that really struck a chord with me is the Jack highlight clip in which you posted. Sometimes when a player is out of sight for nearly a season we forget how talented he is. He is a special talent. That is too much of an asset to be forced to do something that you are not fully comfortable with. My point is keeping him is an option, a very good option.

I agree with you that not addressing the backup goalie position was a mistake that ended up quickly haunting this team. It seems as if KA thought he could get by with Hutton and his expiring contract. In hindsight that was a damaging decision. But as others have stated Krueger was the most influential hockey person in the organization. The personnel decisions that you have justifiably criticized were Krueger decisions.

There is a good chance that if the possible trade partners get winnowed down because of the inadequate offers that the Sabres hold on to Eichel. Our GM doesn't need to panic and take whatever he can get. I'm aware that Jack has a trade approval clause in his contract next year but so what. Either we get value for him in a trade or keep him. Keeping Jack as a fallback position is not a bad position to be in.

I say this with respect but on this issue my thinking is not aligned with what you are thinking. And regarding the highlighted segment why would a team that has been stupendously successful in their short history as multiple cup contenders uproot much of their team to pursue a player who is injured and who has not accomplished much from a team standpoint?

I don't understand what your point is. From a Buffalo standpoint dangling Jack to Seattle makes no sense because they don't have enough assets before or after the draft. Vegas then, and even now, doesn't have enough assets to make an acceptable offer for Jack compared to other franchises vying for his services. Vegas had magnificently managed their expansion draft. (Stating the obvious.) But that doesn't mean that they could keep then be in a position to match the prospective offers of other franchises.

Although most of the attention is on the first pick it is going to be interesting to see what we do with our two second round picks. If Jack, Samson and Risto or some combination of them get traded I'm sure we will be acquiring more high picks. I'm hoping that our gutted scouting department is rebuilt enough to take advantage of the talent pool. This pandemic year has made it more difficult to scout the prospects. Organizations with good scouting departments and good contacts around the hockey world should be able to acquire players that they would normally be in a position to take.

After the expansion draft what valuable assets would they have in their system that would be appealing to us? It seems to me that other franchises have players on their rosters and high-end prospects in their systems that Seattle at this stage of their existence couldn't come close to matching.

Other than high draft choices I don't know what they would have to offer to compete with other trading contenders.

He's not? If that is the case then I am considering changing my Granato-stan membership.

I hope you are right that not hearing anything new about Jack's health is a good sign. I also believe that both sides understand that public comments emanating from their respective corners is not productive. It only seems to ratchet up the tensions.

Samson is more determined to leave the carnage than Jack is. And because of his contract status he has more leverage to force a departure.

You might not be aware of it but I relish the opportunity of saying "I told you so". In the not too distant future you will be be proved wrong not once but twice. 😝

I agree that Samson and Risto have the same contract situation. But where I have a different take is that Samson's value is at its height right now while Risto's value isn't nearly as high. His lower value will hold longer than Samson's will. At the trade deadline a lot of teams will be in search of blue line help.