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On 11/20/2019 at 5:06 PM, freester said:
It doesn’t but we need forwards in the pipeline
Good thing the leading goal scorer in the OHL right now wasn't available with that 31st pick this past June and we ended up taking a defenseman with no offensive upside. If that had happened it would be real embarrassing...
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2 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:
I don't blame these guys for thinking they need to get Rask to move to have a chance. But you HAVE to execute the pass.
Getting in front of the net to screen him seeing shots would also work but apparently our players and organization are convinced that doing so is illegal.
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7 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
Oh God we are about to get clowned in a trade big time. This is why putting your organization in a position where you have to make a desperation move mid season instead of addressing the roster flaws in the offseason is incredibly foolish.
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18 minutes ago, woods-racer said:
Mike is not a good person.
I don't like Mike.
Him and the Great Satan where deserving of each other. I'm sorry to see his time there come to an end.
What did I ever do to you??????
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3 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:
I didn't really think tonight would be the night I broke but why not, they broke everyone else too
Other than that that day in April of 1997 when I said goodbye to a team I loved more than anything this is my low point as a hockey fan. That last post was amazing,.
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4 minutes ago, Thorny said:
No. Though he certainly helps the players he plays with, ask Jeff Skinner.
The second bolded, you don't "blame" Vesey, you blame the fact that he's here. What he represents. The potential player he's here instead of. Jack is a 90/100 point player right now, with a rookie on one side, who's scored 5 of our last 6 and assisted on the other.
You don't blame Vesey, I'm guessing, because you expect his limitations and allow for them. Even 10 million dollar players have limitations.
Jack needs help.
Saw the edit and want to point out that one of the very few smart things Botts has done was that deal with Jack. Ask any other GM if they'd like Jack for $10 million a season and they'd say "Yes" so fast your head would spin. Your post was spot on.
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1 minute ago, Eleven said:
No, it's inaccurate trash born from frustration.
Forget the complete incompetence: PSE has had TWO PSE Presidents ousted for sexual misconduct.
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1 minute ago, Tondas said:
It's the common denominator, but is that why they hated it here? That's not reporting, it's opinion or speculation.
Who do you think is responsible for this organization being the biggest toilet in the entire sport?
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1 minute ago, New Scotland (NS) said:
Why is this in the GDT?
Because it perfectly explains the clown show we are watching right now and the previous 8 seasons.
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1 minute ago, Randall Flagg said:
This franchise was 4th in all time regular season win percentage when it was purchased in 2011. I believe it had one of the highest percentages of seasons in the playoffs too.
Incredible
Correct on both accounts.
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If anyone needs a live stream of the game here it is:
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2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:
We are close to an emergency cozens call up ?
I was thinking of someone else to use as an emergency fill in:
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I could care less about cap space. I don't want to end up reading a story in 10-15 years about Kyle suffering from dementia and having to be put in an assisted living facility. We have to do the right thing and tell him we are never going to let him play another second for us ever again. If it leads to lawsuits so be it.
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1 minute ago, WildCard said:
lmao what? That can't be real
So we've officially reached " Billy Martin ordering Mike Pagliarullo to go to the plate and bat from his opposite stance despite him having never done so in his entire life" territory?
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16 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:
The tank was indeed a horrible move, and is ultimately what our problems today stem from.
In order to finish below a 56 point finish for the Coyotes in the McEichel year, we had to obliterate our organizational depth to a degree that nobody has seen outside of an expansion team.
In the two short years after the tank ended, the Sabres added:
a 56 -> 75 point center in Eichel (the latter was his pace in the second year)
a 40+ point winger in Sam
a 25+G, 40+ point winger in Kane
a ~60 point center in ROR
a 45 point winger in Kyle Okposo
Which is a talent swing in two years that you can more or less never guarantee happening again. It is incredibly rare for a team to see that much top six capable talent added in such a short span.
And that team's forward depth was still among the worst in the league. This is with getting solid depth performances during that time from additions like Gionta, Foligno's development (remember, in 16-17, the FLG line was our best possession line at times). Girgensons shifting out of a 1C role.
Since 2015, the sheer number of depth forwards we've brought in is ludicrous, but the crater we started from was so far below average and acceptable that we haven't been able to catch up to league average in this regard yet, nearly 5 years after the tank ended.
Take a team that didn't tank but was mired in an extended stretch of mediocrity. It could be the Hurricanes, it could be the Flames. These teams, for a long time, didn't have great management, but they eventually got to a point where their middling forward additions coupled with nice development of prospects like Aho, Pesce, Slavin (no different from Jack/Sam's development) turned them into effective forward corps, but it took each team probably 5 years of having bad forward depth to do it. This is starting from far, far above where we did, when we had a 3rd line, a 4th line, and 2 AHL lines at our healthiest. It was never going to be an easy fix unless literally every single move over a 5 year span was the correct one, which isn't something you can realistically come close to guaranteeing for any NHL team no matter how good the management. They haven't been perfect, and have NEVER fixed the forward chasm, even with plenty of GOOD moves for GOOD players at all levels of the forward group (ROR and Skinner and Kane were good-to-great top 6 additions, Mojo is a good middle 6 addition, KO was good for a year before his injury, and was fine as a 4th liner, Sheary an annoying but reasonable depth addition, Gionta had two nice years etc.) No, Coin White, Jack Roslovic, and JT Compher all together would not have made the difference. Not even Brock Boeser, and using hindsight on these draft picks we "could have kept" (in reality, having kept them, we would have entered post tank seasons with depleted TOP SIX as well as depth, which was untenable for a fan base asked to sit through 164 purposeful tanking games) is a joke considering you'd be trying to shoot down tank hindsight with the same logic. Most teams miss most picks as far as impact players go, and we're no different.
We intentionally made the starting line 5 years back of what usually takes years to develop from in the first place by choosing to tank, and in doing so acquired a center that more and more people turn on by the day anyway. In addition to his partner in crime, who half the fanbase has already been lukewarm towards for years. I love Jack and Sam and never want to trade them, but not even McDrai is enough to pull a team out of the abyss, and we gave up so much ground organizationally to get them and they're nowhere close to McDrai. Even if you take every single one of the big mistakes out of the last 5 years, this team isn't close to cup contention, despite the fact that the timelines of every single tank intellectual are documented here for all to see (me included) and had cup contention as starting, like, last year, after a nice playoff run the year before (when we finished in last again).
The average tank supporter had cup contention within 5 years, liked/justified most of the team's moves along the way, got angry when some of us didn't, and then pretend now like they've had their finger on the pulse of this thing all along despite being incorrect about virtually everythingI think in theory the tank was not a bad idea, it was just executed incompetently. When we were stripping assets we should've been acquiring as many draft picks as possible (which is what teams like the Astros and Sixers did). That's what the Dolphins are doing right now as well. The draft is by far the best most effective way to acquire talent, the more picks you have the better the odds you hit the jackpot.
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13 minutes ago, #freejame said:
The Peg would take this in a heartbeat and then the rest of the league would laugh at us.
And we have a GM who would be dumb enough to make that trade in a heartbeat, so yeah...
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My poor Tage?
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8 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:
It has been said that “adversity does not build character it reveals it.” It does not get any easier for this team. Only three winnable games in the next 15. If we see a collapse like last year, God help us. Massive changes like GM, Coach and most likely Jack for Tank 3.0.
OK here goes: IT. IS. STUPID. AND. POINTLESS. WITH. THE. GODDAMNED. LOTTERY. TO. TANK. AND. ONLY. MADE. SENSE. IN. 2015. BECAUSE. IT. GUARANTEED. US. A. FRANCHISE. CENTER. WHO. WOULD. HAVE. BEEN. FIRST. OVERALL. IN. JUST. ABOUT. ANY. OTHER. DRAFT.
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This one was too good not to share:
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17 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
Drafting Johnson, made the Samuelsson Pick that much worse.
The Sabres did not like Kaliyev at all, the only contact he had with them was after a game in January where the scout ripped him apart.
Welp that does nothing to challenge my belief that we have one of the worst scouting departments (particularly in NA) in the entire league. And when I think of the quality of NHL scouting (or it's lack thereof) I am reminded of this anecdote: several years back several teams refused to pick a kid in the first because he suffered a non hockey injury that proved he wasn't taking the sport seriously. Furthermore he came off as someone with an attitude problem because when asked in an interview why a team should draft him he replied "Don't pick me and see how that works for you". That kid's name?
Mat Barzal.
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2 minutes ago, Brawndo said:
Why are the defenseman dumping the puck in from the redline so much, Jokiharju, Montour, Miller and Dahlin are capable of offensive zone entries with the puck possession yet it seems they are being instructed to dump the puck in.
Occam's Razor would say because it's what they are being taught/instructed to do (which is obviously very concerning).
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2 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:
Another Dahlin error
Was it Dahlin's fault Hutton left the top 3rd of the net wide open?
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1 hour ago, Brawndo said:
That should include the Sabres Back to Back with the Leafs
Man, wonder who the Leafs play next? Would be a real shame if they were playing a team that is one of the best in the league who will be motivated like hell to flatten them in front of the most hostile and wild atmosphere you will see at an NHL game in 2019.
*Checks schedule*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Roster Moves John Gilmour on Waivers, Sobotka to LTIR, Tage to IR, Bogo activated
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1) Skinner basically forced his way here because he wanted to be close to home and becoming a Leaf was impossible.
2) It was actually a second round pick that ended up 5 or so spots back from our massive haul in the ROR deal (and unlike ROR Skinner was headed to UFA and had no intention of staying so they had to trade him).