Torpedo Forecheck

Couldn't help but stick your nose into someone else's conversation and then insult me because I have a different opinion. Some of you guys are special!

Your posts speak for themselves. Weak IMO

Wow, I can't believe the takes on here from some of you. Best of luck but not worth my time.

C'mon. I guess you've never needed a second or third chance like most of us have. I actually have first hand experience with the guy and what you said is a croc of BS.

Glad you're not making the decision

My sons former teammate and buddy plays for the Sharks. He lives in Denver now and spent Weds. evening hanging out at his apartment with this guy. My son played against Sheldon in Juniors and he asked him if he knew Sheldon Keefe. The sharks player responded, "oh yeah, everyone knows him, he's gonna be a superstar real soon!" So you are correct, it is the only choice that makes sense for the Sabres. Hire the guy who's like a dozen other guys.sarcasm What is it they say on 2BD Billsy?

Okay. From memory, you can look it up but I'm fairly certain. He had some teams in Dallas about 2004-05-06 that won 50 games and had well over 100 pts. They lost in the first round three years in a row , including 4-1 to an aging Avs team( No Forsberg, No Roy) a couple times. As a matter of fact, Quenneville was the coach who beat him and I consider him a next level coach. Dallas was loaded with Modano, Morrow, Guerin, Lehtinen, Zubov etc.) and finished with about 20 more pts as a team. I need to get back to work. My point isn't that Tippett is a bad coach, playoff coach, I have no belief that down the road when the team is a contender (if it is) that he gets you through the playoffs. Nothing screams special to me. Good chatting and sharing.

I don't agree with this, there are plenty of coaches out there who could screw up a Stanley Cup Champ. You point about competency is the one I've been making. Tippett is likely competent, may even get us to the playoffs next year. I don't know him personally. I think there are coaches who could have done better than he did with the talent he had just from looking at his record. I want better, and Keefe would be better IMO. That's the way I see it.

In the modern NHL almost nobody completely lacks talent. Granted you need some level to compete, but it is generic like championship talent, playoff talent, or likely not playoff talent.

Actually, I've seen and spoken to Sheldon...so I do have an good idea of his philosophy, tactics and strategy. The notion some people have on here is that someone like Tippett might get them to the playoffs may well be true. All I'm saying is that there are certain guys who win and are special at it. They are above the guys like Tippett. The talent on a team is not just on the GM either. The utilization and assessment of the players is on the coach. And, that is an underrated aspect of a hockey coach. Guys confidence and development is strongly tied to this. I see Keefe as a guy who fits this model of a modern hockey coach.

No one is saying it is an exact science. Don't forget context when stating examples. All the guys above went into situations with teams ready to win and needed to get over the hump. The current Sabres situation in no way resembles that.

So you're all excited to bring in a solid, retread. Let's be ahead of the curve for once. Keefe has won at every level he's been given a chance at. Make no mistake about it the NHL will come calling soon. And, he will win just like at every other level. How can you be impressed by a record (Tippett) of 14 yrs as a coach and missed playoffs half the time (including last 5 years in a row)? And, only advanced past first round a couple times, and just once to the third round. I don't want to hear he had no talent either. The great coaches don't have records like this. Solid maybe, but not good enough. I want someone with the potential to win it all. Raise your standards people and shoot for something bigger.

No Thanks on Tippett. Just checked his record as an NHL coach and I'm not impressed. Give me Sheldon Keefe and we're all set for a decade.

Maybe it's a lack of understanding by the fanbase. I mean they have to know more than the guys in charge.

The next great NHL coach! We are stupid if we aren't doing everything we can to obtain hi services.

Yes and if the plan is to recycle a veteran coach, I hope it is someone who has actually had real success in this type of situation.

If Sheldon Keefe is available I recommend we go get him ASAP. If he can't win here then it will almost certainly be because management failed him. If given the right tools and listened too he will deliver the goods. Dude has won everywhere. I watched him coach up close in Junior hockey and his team won league title 5 times in a row. Then he moved to the OHL and won. Then to the AHL and won.

If Keefe is available I recommend we go get him ASAP. If he can't win here then it will almost certainly be because management failed him. If given the right tools and listened too he will deliver the goods. Dude has won everywhere. I watched him coach up close in Junior hockey and his team won league title 5 times in a row. Then he moved to the OHL and won. Then to the AHL and won.

Where's Coopers and Lybrand? Daley just bringing the cards out......did he shuffle em?

NHL is happy he's going to NY Metro or Chicago! Ummmmm

1. Agreed, the best result is a combination of analysis and scouting. 2. Corsi is often quoted on here yet in this instance it is so obvious that other factors are missing. On an individual level, who you are on the ice with is not dealt with and has some of the same problems old fashioned +/- has. 3. There are folks on this forum who have said they have a problem with the eyeball test. 4. No, but he won't be coaching long if he doesn't use the tools at his disposal. If there is a real advantage and some other coach is getting it and you're not, you are hurting yourself.

I've read and understand the analytics. I am what some people would probably call an analytics guy. Numbers play a role, but quite frankly aren't as enlightening as some of you believe in regards to certain things.They are being overrated by the numbers crowd pure and simple. Many times they just matchup with what you see. And, sometimes they are way off based on the fact the models used don't capture everything needed in a continous action game. Does anyone really believe these Corsis truly represent the Sabres 50.0 and Lightning 51.6? This is a stat I see frequently sited on here and I'm not trying to cherry pick as there are a ton of other examples. People complaining about this guy using his eyeballs are being naive. The infamous Tangotiger (analytics guru) once said "in small samples a good scout can be superior to the numbers". Now if you want to talk about the tactics of the game and something like PP goals often originating down low, well that is something a coach can use. There are tons of examples of this, and if a coach rejects using data that is helpful, he won't be coaching too much longer. If however he rejects data that he finds lacking, well that is his perogative. Personally, I'm just tired of someone saying this defenseman has a 54.0 Corsi and ignores the rest of his game (which is alot) that is as bad as the coach who refuses to use any analytics. JMO

He had no chance of recovering and coaching this team again. The players obviously didn't have his back and it showed....unless you're going to bring in all new players it wouldn't work.?

I would love Sheldon Keefe, but that is likely not possible. He is tough, flexible and a winner. Plus he's an experienced 38 year who and could be around and successful for years.

I've seen him before and after! Not nude