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Why drag the North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes into this?

Trying a new one tonight: Collingwood Canadian whisky on the rocks. Very drinkable and fairly light. If you can get past the fact that the bottle looks like a giant display from the fragrance counter at a department store, I'd recommend it.

I think the difference here is that you are referring to just the football program, while Eleven is referring to the entire University system. Penn State is probably one of the largest employers in PA, with 24 campuses and almost 150,000 students, faculty, and staff among them. The collateral damage goes well beyond State College and a few hundred people. How about this: PSU alumni have donated almost $300,000 over a few days towards RAINN, the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization The students at University Park also participate in an annual fundraiser called THON, which has raised millions of dollars for the Four Diamonds Fund.

I don't disagree that his point is valid; only that it had nothing to do with my point. Even in the absence of a credit downgrade, NCAA sanctions, and legal fees, the hit in credibility is absolutely going to have negative effects on student enrollment and philanthropic donations going forward. Edit: just saw Drane's newer post, so it appears we agree on the last part.

I'm not sure what this has to do with my post. I'm simply trying to put a human face on the institution so many are ready to tear down based on the actions (and inactions) of a relatively small minority, and you're talking about donations and/or student enrollment? Non sequitur.

A reminder that the actions of a few individuals do not define the entire University: Penn State students organize candlelight vigil to show support for victims of abuse "The vigil, attended by several thousand students and other members of the Penn State community, was held to remember victims of abuse and their families."

You're probably right, lol.

Something tells me you'll have a new installment for the whisky thread later on in the weekend. :thumbsup:

Neither am I, actually... something about the media and everyone jumping so quickly to crucify people before knowing the whole story that really bothers me. Probably also has to do with the fact that I'm surrounded by Penn State alums and trying to remain impartial.

I certainly hope you're never selected for jury duty. We can agree to disagree on this one.

Like I said, not trying to say anyone is innocent... just saying it's possible the investigation was done on the D-L and minimal people were involved at that point since it was his first accusation and they may not have wanted to risk smearing an innocent (now very likely guilty) man. It's also entirely possible you're both correct and JoePa knew the whole time. I'm just admitting I don't know the whole story and am trying not to judge people based on half of the information.

Apologies if this is addressed in the Grand Jury report (I haven't read it), but just because the timeline indicates things that are now known to have happened in 1998 doesn't necessarily mean everyone was aware of them at that time. After 2002 and the eyewitness account by McQueary that went up the chain they have no excuses, but before? It's not clear to me that everyone had to have known about it prior to then. Not saying people aren't guilty; just trying to keep an open mind and wait for all the facts to come out.

Anyone know if this is worth buying? Jim Murray's Whisky Bible I already have the Michael Jackson book that someone recommended earlier, so not sure if this would be redundant or not.

If the Penn State Board of Trustees thought firing just Paterno and Spanier was going to solve their PR problem, they were wrong: Joe Paterno Fired, Others Not: Attorney General's Office Has 'Concern' Also includes descriptions of the main players in the scandal, what they knew, what they did and what happened to them.

Statement from Terry Pegula: http://sabres.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=600153

First day back at work after a long vacation in a different time zone. :yawn:

This is a bit long, but it makes you think about the other side of the story: http://no-boxes-allowed.blogspot.com/2011/11/in-defense-of-joe-paterno.html

I don't disagree about the cover-up, but banning PSU athletics would unfairly punish the students who had nothing to do with this. Throw out everyone in charge who's even remotely involved and start over from scratch.

Wish I lived closer; that sounds great! I'll actually be up that way for a game next month, but not that weekend. :(

For some odd reason, around this area they insist on doing Trick-or-Treating from 6-8pm on the Thursday before Halloween. When I lived in NY it was always on 10/31, regardless of what day of the week that happened to fall. Not sure if it's supposed to encourage more people to be home for candy distribution or what, but it's kind of silly.

So, about this... :wub: :angel:

That's awesome, CSB -- sounds like you were overdue for some good fortune (and good treatment), so glad to hear it's finally coming your way. :)

If I can get through today and this weekend, vacation starts Monday and no more work until Nov. 10th. :thumbsup:

Absolutely exhausted. All week I've been working long hours and staying up late / getting up early to try and get caught up before leaving town next week, and I'm at the point where I'm so tired I feel like I'm drunk (only way less fun). :wacko:

Haven't tried it alone (yet), but I've had an apple smash and a manhattan with the Buffalo Trace and it's good!